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« on: March 07, 2012, 05:15:35 PM »

can you expand the question, i don't know what you're talking about?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 05:52:48 PM »

Well, then due to its intellectual dishonesty, as well as the racist statements from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young...why don't you just reject it outright and start over?

I warned you beforehand not to approach Mormonism using their brain washing techniques, the very same techniques I have seen used by other cults…or do you think it’s just a coincidence they asked you to pray to God if Mormonism was true?  They asked you to do that because that is how they are taught to present Mormonism to people.  They find someone hungry for God, ask them to read their material, then ask them to pray and ask God if Mormonism is true.  

It’s a methodology that comes from directly from the leadership of the Mormon church, which is why you were instructed to do so by the missionaries who approached you.  And I can guarantee you if you asked anyone who converted to Mormonism as an adult, you’ll find they were asked to do the same thing.
 
Why don’t you instead check the book of Acts to see how the Apostles presented the gospel to people?  The Apostles NEVER employed brain-washing techniques on potential converts.


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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 06:03:59 PM »
« Edited: March 07, 2012, 06:37:27 PM by consigliere jmfcst »

correction, it's a methodology that not only comes from the LDS leadership, it comes directly from the book of Mormon:

"And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost."

Moroni 10:4

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 06:34:25 PM »

the bible never asks someone to pray for truth, even though it says the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth.  Instead, it claims the measure of truth is the Word of God:

John 17:17 "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."

Therefore, if the Christian God is talking to you through prayer, it will be speaking in accord with scripture.

Could you imagine someone asking you to pray to God if adultery was ok?!  No.  Why not?  Because adultery clearly violates the scripture.  It wouldn't matter what you claim was the answer given to you in prayer, if the message in prayer came from the same spirit responsible for scripture, then it will be in agreement with scripture, which is why the Apostles attempted to win converts by simply presenting the gospel as it aligned to scripture.

So, if the book of Mormon is the true Christianity, then it should align with the both the OT and NT, or at least the OT (if the book of Mormon declares superiority over the NT).  But we know that is not the case because Mormon doctrine of the origin of God is completely contrary to both the OT and NT.


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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 10:33:39 AM »

the Book of Mormon is the word of God, revealed to man after He re-established communication with the human race through the prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.

when did this supposed lapse in communication begin, exactly?
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 12:10:02 PM »

after the Lamanites killed off the last of the Nephites, 385AD.

is it my imagination, or did you just completely contradict yourself?...

my goal is to create a theology that, while upholding the spiritual and historical value of the Latter-Day Saint movement, comes to terms with the untenable nature of claims such as continuing revelation through prophets, historicity of the Nephites and Lamanites, admits the intellectual dishonesty of Mormon archaeology and other scholarship, and so forth.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 02:14:29 PM »

I was reporting from the annals of Mormon theology, not necessarily from personal belief.

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 05:21:00 PM »

Actually, the continuing revelation thing is one of the more attractive tenets of Mormonism.  The ability to override your previous revelation as new information (from the Almighty or otherwise) comes in allows Mormonism a great deal more flexibility than other faiths.

That flexibility may be convenient, but I do not find it attractive.

not to mention that continued revelation (changing of stuff) within the church age is contrary to scripture:

Jude 1:3  "Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints."
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 06:28:02 PM »
« Edited: March 09, 2012, 06:35:08 PM by consigliere jmfcst »

Is is telling that your theology requires that fixed and unchanging doctrine begins only once the Church Age arrived.

the establishment of the New Covenant marked the Church Age arrival, so the rules of the New Covenant were set into place at its inception and are unchangeable as long as the New Covenant is in effect.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 10:59:10 AM »

just glanced over the last couple of days posts of this thread....I am understanding it correctly that Tweed is attempting to create his own religion?!
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