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« on: March 14, 2012, 08:36:56 pm »
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after recounts every state and DC comes in tied between the Republican and the Democrat?

Impossible I know, but if that were the case, what happens?

I'm assuming each state has a chief elections officer who votes only to break a tie.
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 04:22:07 pm »
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Quote from: SANTORUM TO DEMS: VOTE FOR ME. YOU KNOW OBAMA WILL CRUSH ME. on March 14, 2012, 08:36:56 pm
after recounts every state and DC comes in tied between the Republican and the Democrat?

Impossible I know, but if that were the case, what happens?

I'm assuming each state has a chief elections officer who votes only to break a tie.

I doubt this and I doubt law is even providing such an option, knowing odds are indeed impossible. Yet, the question is interesting and I'd love to see some of our in-house law scholars to make an opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 11:12:21 pm »
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I'm assuming each state has a chief elections officer who votes only to break a tie.

PA does not.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 04:50:04 am »
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Each state's electors would then be determined by a coin flip.  That would be an odd-looking electoral map.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 06:04:25 am »
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Three states have had recent tied elections: Massachusetts, New Mexico, and South Dakota. Massachusetts revotes; in New Mexico, the two candidates play a game of poker; in South Dakota, the first candidate who, blindfolded, picks a white marble from a bag full of black marbles wins.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 07:11:21 am »
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I don't think it would be legal for a chief elections officer to cast a tie-breaking vote.

It would certainly violate "one man - one vote" principle, since said officer certainly already casted his vote as a citizen.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 07:20:06 am »
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Quote from: Mr. Morden on March 16, 2012, 04:50:04 am
Each state's electors would then be determined by a coin flip.  That would be an odd-looking electoral map.

William Jennings Bryan lives Tongue


Well, I just flipped a coin for each state and, by accident, the map looks pretty consistent.



R: 279
D: 259
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 07:27:01 am »
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I did the flip for all states again, and map looks much more bizzare this time.



WHAT THE...

It's again R: 279 and D: 259 Huh

THIS COIN IS CURSED!
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 09:15:05 am »
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Quote from: Gisbourne on March 16, 2012, 07:27:01 am
I did the flip for all states again, and map looks much more bizzare this time.



WHAT THE...

It's again R: 279 and D: 259 Huh

THIS COIN IS CURSED!

I just got R 279/259 D as well. 0_o
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 02:11:48 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 02:33:01 pm »
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Damn you, cursed Polish Zloty.

I'll use a Lithuanian Litas now.



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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2012, 03:40:39 pm »
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Washington -- coin landed almost sideways, leaning on my data stick.
Technically it should count as D.
267 R, 259 D, 12 I/D
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2012, 07:38:14 pm »
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Quote from: Gisbourne on March 16, 2012, 07:11:21 am
I don't think it would be legal for a chief elections officer to cast a tie-breaking vote.

It would certainly violate "one man - one vote" principle, since said officer certainly already casted his vote as a citizen.

In my original post I have stated that the chief elections officer only votes in the event of a tie in order to cast the tie breaking vote.  So, in such case, they would not have previously voted.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 10:37:22 am »
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Using the excel RAND function I somehow managed to generate a strong dem win :



D : 304
R : 234
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2012, 02:23:48 pm »
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20 Lithuanian Cents went Democratic.



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R: 206
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2012, 06:21:04 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2012, 06:45:59 pm »
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This thread inspires me to make a "flip a coin" thread in the what if section Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2012, 07:50:16 pm »
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My nickel's results:



R: 276
D: 262
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2012, 08:21:34 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2012, 08:34:52 pm »
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According to all of your coin flips, Georgia is a real GOP stronghold.  It first went for the Dems twice in a row, but after Kal's initial two elections on page 1, it's gone for the GOP nine times in a row.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2012, 07:31:59 am »
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How do you guys have the patience to flip a coin 51 times ?
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2012, 04:33:59 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012, 05:11:37 pm »
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Thank you all for your coin flipping, interesting, but does not answer the original question.

Anybody know?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2012, 05:51:12 pm »
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Federal law allows each state + DC to appoint their apportioned electors any way they choose, and this right extends to the settling of disputes in the popular vote.  The deadline for resolving these determinations, however, is six days prior to the meeting of the electors to cast their votes ("the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December").

Your assumption that there is a chief elections officer in each state who only votes in the case of a tie isn't accurate, and I don't know of any state that does so.  Some states might hold a quick revote (if they even have time to do so after the recount deliberations and inevitable lawsuits have concluded), while others will likely have coin flip-type solutions.  It all depends on state law.

Now, who wants to research 51 laws on how to break a tie in the statewide/districtwide popular vote?  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2012, 07:14:04 pm »
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