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Question: Who was the most horrible dictator in the 20th century?
Iosif Stalin   -7 (20.6%)
Adolf Hitler   -19 (55.9%)
Pol Pot   -5 (14.7%)
Idi Amin   -0 (0%)
Mao Zedong   -1 (2.9%)
Kim Il Sung   -1 (2.9%)
Ho Chi Min   -0 (0%)
Fidel Castro   -1 (2.9%)
Nicola Ceauscescu   -0 (0%)
Benito Mussolini   -0 (0%)
Franscisco Franco   -0 (0%)
Other   -0 (0%)
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« on: March 20, 2012, 10:10:54 pm »
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Who was the most horrible dictator in the 20th century?
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There is very little hope that the United States or anyone else can do much to stabilize Iraq, Libya, Syria or Egypt. Stabilizing Iran, and bringing it back into the family of nations, is much more possible. That would be a 'win' for both sides.

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 05:33:51 am »
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Obviously it's one of the first two.  One could make decent arguments for Pol Pot or Mao.  I don't see how anybody else could make the cut.  I'm going to go with Stalin.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 06:31:13 am »
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Hitler for starting the World War II. Hence, he had the worst and the biggest impact.

Of course, that doesn't make anyone else on this list more sympathetic.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 02:15:46 pm »
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When a certain degree of horribleness is reached, it becomes very hard to differentiate. It's like comparing two infinites. You know, like natural numbers and rational number. The latter are more numerous than the former, yet they're theoretically both the same number.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim have all crossed the line.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 03:00:30 pm »
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When a certain degree of horribleness is reached, it becomes very hard to differentiate. It's like comparing two infinites. You know, like natural numbers and rational number. The latter are more numerous than the former, yet they're theoretically both the same number.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim have all crossed the line.

Well, Hitler was worse than Pol Pot on one issue: Pol Pot didn't invade his neighbours.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 04:08:41 pm »
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When a certain degree of horribleness is reached, it becomes very hard to differentiate. It's like comparing two infinites. You know, like natural numbers and rational number. The latter are more numerous than the former, yet they're theoretically both the same number.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim have all crossed the line.

Well, Hitler was worse than Pol Pot on one issue: Pol Pot didn't invade his neighbours.

At least Pol Pot killed intellectuals equally too!
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 05:12:18 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 05:14:09 pm »
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Hitler gets the gold, Stalin gets silver, and Mao gets bronze.  The others are (dis-)honorable mentions.  Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 08:58:49 pm »
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Hitler was bad, but he focused on other countries, and his doucheness was quarantined because of his need to focus on a multi-theatre world war.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 09:05:42 pm »
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Hitler was bad, but he focused on other countries, and his doucheness was quarantined because of his need to focus on a multi-theatre world war.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 09:21:42 pm »
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Hitler was bad, but he focused on other countries, and his doucheness was quarantined because of his need to focus on a multi-theatre world war.
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Yeah, weird way of putting it!!

But Stalin and Pol Pot certainly killed a larger part of their own population than Hitler and Mao is responsible for the death of more Chinese than Hitler killed Germans. So seen from a homeland perspective Hitler is not no. 1. Guess that's his point.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 01:02:02 pm »
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Mao, followed by Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 01:16:37 pm »
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Have to go with Hitler.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 06:43:07 pm »
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Hitler was bad, but he focused on other countries

Sure, which makes him less horrible, because he killed more worthless foreigners than his own Aryan people.

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and his doucheness was quarantined because of his need to focus on a multi-theatre world war.

I'm pretty sure Jews, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, French, Yugoslavians, Belgians, etc. etc. were benefiting from this distraction.
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 07:33:44 pm »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.

"Other" ^^
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 07:38:54 pm »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.

"Other" ^^

I meant excluding Other.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 12:59:42 am »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.
probably Mussolini.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 03:09:53 am »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.

Castro or Mussolini, depending on what aspects you're focusing on. Next tier would probably be...Ho Chi Minh and Franco, maybe? Franco's getting into the territory that Antonio described but I'm not well-versed in his reign enough to know whether or not he's quite there.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2012, 04:47:23 am »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.
probably Mussolini.

Yeah, Mussolini might get the prize. The Salo' era was pretty horrible, but fortunately it didn't last long.

It might be Ho Chi Min as well, I don't know much about how he ruled after his victory.
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 07:27:00 am »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.
Make your own thread instead of hijacking mine:-)
Most horrible is interesting because of the different criteria you can apply.
Hitler was responsible for the highest number of deaths if you give him sole responsibility for WW2. Mao killed the highest number of his own people (if you include starvation), Pol Pot killed the highest percentage of his own population and ruined his country's economy and social structure. If you combine the two criteria of killing the highest share of your own population and the highest number of your own population Stalin wins. Stalin also probably had the largest longtime negative impact and imprisoned and forcibly relocated most people. But Hitler is the conventional choice as the personification of evil. I would say Stalin if you combine all factors and Pol Pot if you focus on the amount of evil a dictator caused relative to the resources he had at his disposal.
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There is very little hope that the United States or anyone else can do much to stabilize Iraq, Libya, Syria or Egypt. Stabilizing Iran, and bringing it back into the family of nations, is much more possible. That would be a 'win' for both sides.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2012, 08:10:51 am »
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Better question: Least horrible. Regarding that list, of course.
Make your own thread instead of hijacking mine:-)
Most horrible is interesting because of the different criteria you can apply.
Hitler was responsible for the highest number of deaths if you give him sole responsibility for WW2. Mao killed the highest number of his own people (if you include starvation), Pol Pot killed the highest percentage of his own population and ruined his country's economy and social structure. If you combine the two criteria of killing the highest share of your own population and the highest number of your own population Stalin wins. Stalin also probably had the largest longtime negative impact and imprisoned and forcibly relocated most people. But Hitler is the conventional choice as the personification of evil. I would say Stalin if you combine all factors and Pol Pot if you focus on the amount of evil a dictator caused relative to the resources he had at his disposal.

I think a case might be made for Kim Il-Sung regarding long-term impact. North Korea is a small country, but people have been starving for over 60 years because of him and his successors.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2012, 03:10:18 pm »
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All of these are obviously despicable pieces of garbage, but I vote Hitler as the Spawn of Satan of the 20th century.

He started WW2, and he targeted and murdered specific groups of people through some of the most disturbing methods ever.

Stalin comes in 2nd, with Mao in third.

After that I don't know much, but  maybe Pol Pot in 4th?
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