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« on: March 21, 2012, 11:01:02 AM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/top-romney-adviser-mitt-will-erase-his-conservative-positions-once-hes-the-nominee/2012/03/21/gIQAMYOlRS_blog.html

Romney advisor equates Romney breaking every promise he made to conservatives to win their votes with shaking an Etch A Sketch. The man has no core, and no principles other than the belief that he ought to be President.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 11:09:01 AM »

Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

Probably not though.

That advisor ought to be fired, no one should be stupid enough to say that in public, even if everyone knows it is true.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 11:11:16 AM »

Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

Probably not though.

That advisor ought to be fired, no one should be stupid enough to say that in public, even if everyone knows it is true.

It is Romney whom ought to be fired. Scapegoating an underlying for Romney's character flaws would just compound the offense.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 11:13:47 AM »

Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 11:20:59 AM »

And we are "purists" for trying to expose a fraud? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 11:21:43 AM »

I'm pretty sure everyone was already expecting this, but it's interesting to see it stated so directly.

On that note, this is exactly why Romney is such an overrated candidate for the General election. The Obama campaign team certainly won't pass on the opportunity to highlight every single flip-flop Romney makes once he wins the primary, and will blanket the airwaves with ads attacking his integrity. Hell, imagine the debates, even- Obama is infamous for keeping his cool, while Romney has gotten visibly flustered every time he's been attacked by an opponent. Poor Mittens won't stand a chance.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 11:24:21 AM »
« Edited: March 21, 2012, 11:26:05 AM by Torie »

It is not clear to me the guy was speaking for Romney as opposed to winging it. But sure the emphasis will change. I doubt Mittens will be abandoning any of his positions however, including his ill considered tax rate cut. That would just backfire among other things.

I don't think Mittens will get flustered either. It is easier to debate someone where your policy positions are so different, and you can just attack the incumbent's performance, which will not be difficult.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 11:27:07 AM »

Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.

What the electorate should expect from politician is the Truth.

If "everyone" really knew it, it wouldn't be news. The point is that it is something everybody on the inside already knows, but is not stated because some of the benighted sheeple on the outside aren't aware of it, yet.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 11:29:41 AM »

While this is surely pretty bad news for the Romney campaign, he can take some solace in the fact that he'll now be able to engage in one of his favorite activities: firing someone!
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 11:33:17 AM »

lulz. This would be bad for any candidate but for Mittens it's particularly awful.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 11:38:26 AM »

The etch-a-sketch imagery would work really well for an attack ad by Santorum or Obama, if they can get away without trademark/copyright problems
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 11:40:09 AM »

Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.

What the electorate should expect from politician is the Truth.

If "everyone" really knew it, it wouldn't be news. The point is that it is something everybody on the inside already knows, but is not stated because some of the benighted sheeple on the outside aren't aware of it, yet.

No, no, the 'news' here isn't that Romney would be ready to ditch his current platform at a moment's notice. Everybody already knew that, it's not like this forum is stuffed with campaign 'insiders' or as if the media haven't been reminding the electorate of some of Romney's previous U-turns over the past 12 months. The news is that the electorate now is told in no unclear terms that it is okay for them to know Romney doesn't have any real core beliefs.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 11:43:35 AM »

Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

He's still windsurfing in Puerto Rico?
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2012, 12:08:43 PM »

same sh**t as Obama and NAFTA 2008.  if one is worse than the other it is by degrees.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 02:08:14 PM »

Hopefully the Obama campaign will tackle this.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 02:16:55 PM »

Considering how Romney is going to win the nomination on delegate math and not actually knocking out his conservative opponents, Obama would do well to have his SPACs go after Romney, not in swing states, but in conservative areas in hopes of literally depressing the voter turnout.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 02:19:54 PM »
« Edited: March 21, 2012, 02:24:56 PM by Politico »

Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?

A) It was used in 2004 by the Bush campaign against John Kerry, a more notorious flip-flopper than Mitt Romney even. Bush BARELY beat Kerry (e.g., a swing in Ohio the size of Ohio State's football stadium would have given Kerry the presidency). And this was in an environment where gasoline cost less than $2/gallon and unemployment was less than 5%. We were also in the middle of a war that caused many to rally to the cause of the Commander-in-Chief. Obama has none of these advantages.

B) Bush's top strategist is a backer of the Romney campaign. It is not much of a stretch to imagine that the man who invented attacking a presidential candidate over flip-flopping is also well-aware of how to adequately defend against such charges. In other words, good luck beating Rove at his own game.

The truth of the matter is that Mitt will continue to have a moderate TEMPERAMENT coupled with the ideas he presented in his victory speech tonight. That speech last night is what Mitt is going to run on, with continued fine tuning between now and November. It's going to work unless 2012 really is the end of the world. The only reason Obama won in 2008 is because everything fell right for him (i.e., the financial crisis, McCain's horrendous pick of Palin, etc.). 2012 is not the same ballpark as 2008. Hell, it's not even the same game.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 02:22:32 PM »

No f**king sh**.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 02:25:15 PM »

Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?



I suspect that the Obama campaign will focus mostly on Romney being out of touch with the needs and concerns of ordinary people. The flip-flopping will be more the icing on the cake.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 02:29:44 PM »
« Edited: March 21, 2012, 02:32:36 PM by Politico »

Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?



I suspect that the Obama campaign will focus mostly on Romney being out of touch with the needs and concerns of ordinary people.

They can try that, much like Carter did in 1980, but Obama will be the incumbent who is presiding over gasoline at $4-5/gallon and unemployment in excess of 8% with real unemployment in the double digits. Like Carter in 1980 and Bush in 1992, the last two incumbents to lose re-election, Obama is presiding over days of malaise. "ROMNEY RICH = ROMNEY BAD" is not enough in this environment with Romney NOT being the incumbent.

I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran, and causing a successful military engagement there. I do not see how Obama can win unless something dramatic happens in the foreign policy realm that Obama can use to his advantage.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 02:31:52 PM »

Yes, Obama's only chance of winning the election that intrade currently has him at a 60% favorite in against the candidate he is currently leading in basically all the polls, is to start a war. Good advice Politico.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 02:32:06 PM »

I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2012, 02:36:35 PM »

I like how ever Politico response to a thread like this is "Obama is screwed if his campaign can only revolve around X."

The good news for Obama is that there's well over a 1000 of these Xs for Obama's campaign to orbit.
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2012, 02:36:56 PM »

They can try that, much like Carter did in 1980, but Obama will be the incumbent who is presiding over gasoline at $4-5/gallon and unemployment in excess of 8% with real unemployment in the double digits. Like Carter in 1980 and Bush in 1992, the last two incumbents to lose re-election, Obama is presiding over days of malaise. "ROMNEY RICH = ROMNEY BAD" is not enough in this environment with Romney NOT being the incumbent.

I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran, and causing a successful military engagement there. I do not see how Obama can win unless something dramatic happens in the foreign policy realm that Obama can use to his advantage.

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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2012, 02:40:18 PM »

lol
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