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muon2
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« on: March 27, 2012, 10:18:49 PM »

If Medicare is already constitutional, why not just expand Medicare for everyone? That seems to be better than a individual mandate.

Medicare is single payer, and even the Obama White House has been unwilling to go down that road.
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 10:39:14 PM »
« Edited: March 27, 2012, 10:47:13 PM by muon2 »

How are Republicans going to explain how they intend to remedy pre-existing conditions returning to the fold? That is one of the top successes of the health care law. They pushed for this case and have no solutions for what to replace it with. Romney doesn't gain from this either way, it's just not an election changer.

Their insurance premiums for a certain level of coverage need to be subsidized more on a means tested basis. That is the Pub response - at least among those who are serious about the issue, rather than just demagoging for the moment for short term gain. The Pub response is more market oriented. The Obamacare edifice is wholly unnecessary to achieve the objective - and what I particularly despise about Obamacare is the cross subsidy from the impecunious young, to the less impecunious old as a general rule. The youngs will be subsidizing me for example. It's ludicrous. And any plan in the end requires some sort of rationing, but that is most pressing with Medicare.

In any event, the status quo is the pre-existing conditions folks of limited means go to the emergency room, and don't pay their bills. So they are being "dealt" with, just not in any coherent or sensible manner.

There's a local bottom-up way to deal with this as well. In my county the covered pool has been greatly expanded by having the government partner with local hospitals and clinics. It's in the the hospital's financial interest to provide services that are lower cost than treating uninsured in the emergency rooms. The government steers clients to cost-effective options as needed. The net effect is about a 1-to-9 leverage of tax dollars to private services.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 08:06:08 AM »

The idea that sick people who have no insurance can just routinely use emergency rooms for their care is false. The provisions of EMTALA only require hospitals to treat such persons if they are at severe risk of death or in active labor, and even then they need only be treated till their immediate condition is stabilized. While there are emergency rooms that treat more, it's completely legal for them to turn patients away if they don't meet these conditions, and they often do. Many people in such circumstances suffer from serious chronic conditions for long periods of time that would otherwise be treatable, but end up only being accepted for emergency room care when it's too late to successfully treat their conditions. A rather large number if American citizens lose their lives every year because of these circumstances. So the notion that we can comfort ourselves with the argument that there are only problems of economic inefficiency bedeviling our system when it comes to the uninsured is a conceit. It's a moral issue, and I think a serious one.

But many uninsured do routinely stop at the ER for lack of an alternative. The best solution is to connect those people with a primary care physician. That overcomes economic inefficiency and works to identify conditions that could be effectively treated at an earlier point.
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