Best African Rulers

[The Duke]

There are non-ctiminal punishments for "lawbreakers", such as denying them voting rights as we do in the US.  Blacks were punished for their race.

They were not allowed to vote because they were not citizens.  They were allowed to vote in their own countries.

You're very uneducated.

Exactly what country were they allowed to vote in?  Most of these people were born in, lived in, and had ties only to, South Africa.  Where would you like them to vote, the Zulu Nation?

[Richard]

There are non-ctiminal punishments for "lawbreakers", such as denying them voting rights as we do in the US.  Blacks were punished for their race.

They were not allowed to vote because they were not citizens.  They were allowed to vote in their own countries.

You're very uneducated.

Exactly what country were they allowed to vote in?  Most of these people were born in, lived in, and had ties only to, South Africa.  Where would you like them to vote, the Zulu Nation?

No, most were born in their own countries.  And they were citizens in those countries.  And they had their own governments that they elected, and WHITE PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE THERE.  Oh the humanity.  Even Mandela was born in Transkei, not in South Africa.

[Beet]

Albert-Bernard Bongo

[The Duke]

There are non-ctiminal punishments for "lawbreakers", such as denying them voting rights as we do in the US.  Blacks were punished for their race.

They were not allowed to vote because they were not citizens.  They were allowed to vote in their own countries.

You're very uneducated.

Exactly what country were they allowed to vote in?  Most of these people were born in, lived in, and had ties only to, South Africa.  Where would you like them to vote, the Zulu Nation?

No, most were born in their own countries.  And they were citizens in those countries.  And they had their own governments that they elected, and WHITE PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE THERE.  Oh the humanity.  Even Mandela was born in Transkei, not in South Africa.

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.  Does Transkei have a seat in the UN?  Do we send a US Ambassador to Transkei?  No.  Just as the Apache are not denied voting rights in the US, the blacks should not be denied voting rights in S. Africa.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

gee, this kind of sounds like segregation. oh wait, it is. We all know which side Richius would be on in the 60s.

[Richard]

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.

Um, people in Lesotho can't vote in South Africa to this day.  And Californians can't vote for Canadian prime minister.

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No, neither has Taiwan.

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Neither do you have one in Cuba.

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I never said should or should not.  That is a different issue.  I'm telling you what was.

[Richard]

gee, this kind of sounds like segregation. oh wait, it is. We all know which side Richius would be on in the 60s.

Gee, maybe because this sounds like apartheid, and apartheid = segregation?  Brilliant observation, Captian Obvious!  Pity most of the forum realized that two pages ago.

[The Duke]

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.

Um, people in Lesotho can't vote in South Africa to this day.  And Californians can't vote for Canadian prime minister.

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No, neither has Taiwan.

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Neither do you have one in Cuba.

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I never said should or should not.  That is a different issue.  I'm telling you what was.

News flash--Lesotho is a seperate country from S. Africa, Taiwan is not a country at all, and California is not contained entirely within Canada nor is it subject to the laws of Canada.

[Richard]

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.

Um, people in Lesotho can't vote in South Africa to this day.  And Californians can't vote for Canadian prime minister.

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No, neither has Taiwan.

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Neither do you have one in Cuba.

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I never said should or should not.  That is a different issue.  I'm telling you what was.

News flash--Lesotho is a seperate country from S. Africa, Taiwan is not a country at all, and California is not contained entirely within Canada nor is it subject to the laws of Canada.

Um, and Transkei was a completely separate country too.  Taiwan is a matter of opinion, and there is a part of the United States completely contained within Canada that is not allowed to vote in Canada.  I fail to see your point.

[Cashcow]

DeKlerk, as was mentioned.

[The Duke]

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.

Um, people in Lesotho can't vote in South Africa to this day.  And Californians can't vote for Canadian prime minister.

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No, neither has Taiwan.

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Neither do you have one in Cuba.

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I never said should or should not.  That is a different issue.  I'm telling you what was.

News flash--Lesotho is a seperate country from S. Africa, Taiwan is not a country at all, and California is not contained entirely within Canada nor is it subject to the laws of Canada.

Um, and Transkei was a completely separate country too.  Taiwan is a matter of opinion, and there is a part of the United States completely contained within Canada that is not allowed to vote in Canada.  I fail to see your point.

What part of the US is completely contained within Canada?

[Sam Spade]

Mandela was/is/will be a Communist, socialist and a scumbag.  Under his lead, South Africa has turned into one of the most dangerous places on the globe and a hellhole for many there.

He was essentially an early form of the type of terrorist that has plagued our world (especially Israel/Palestine) for the last thirty years.

Quite frankly, he should still be in jail or dead, whichever.

[Gabu]

Your argument is ludicrous!

This is equivalent of saying that a Californian can't vote in US elections because his nation is California, and he has no right to complain because the rest of America can't vote in his little California election and he's a hypocrite if he complains.

Um, people in Lesotho can't vote in South Africa to this day.  And Californians can't vote for Canadian prime minister.

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No, neither has Taiwan.

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Neither do you have one in Cuba.

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I never said should or should not.  That is a different issue.  I'm telling you what was.

News flash--Lesotho is a seperate country from S. Africa, Taiwan is not a country at all, and California is not contained entirely within Canada nor is it subject to the laws of Canada.

Um, and Transkei was a completely separate country too.  Taiwan is a matter of opinion, and there is a part of the United States completely contained within Canada that is not allowed to vote in Canada.  I fail to see your point.

What part of the US is completely contained within Canada?

Good question.  I don't even know of any Canadian provinces that are completely contained within Canada.  They all either have water or the United States as part of their border.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Mandela probably. Also DeKlerk for doing the right thing (even though it was political suicide).

"Nice" to see that "Kaffir" bashing and Apartheid defending is O.K again. After all, all those people murdered at Sharpsville were evil Commies/Terrorists...

[Jens]

Homelands! or Bantustans
The homelands in South Africa was created by the RSA government in the 1960'ies. The basic idea was to take apartheid to its full and totally seperate whites and blacks. The homelands were strange creations. KwaZulu was created from many small territories and Bophuthatswana looked like a snake that crawled along the rim of rich white farms, and that was the point. The rich and fertile soils were kept inside RSA plus any industrial areas and mines where also not included in the Bantustans. The territorial size were 13 % of RSA's territorium while Africans was 87% of the population in RSA. Most of the Africans were also born in the townships like Soweto and had no relation with the quite rural areas that was the homelands.
The homelands was yet another failed plan created by the leaders of the National Party and was never backed by the majority of the Africans and the idea was shuned by the international community

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Good post, Jens

[Jens]

Mandela was/is/will be a Communist, socialist and a scumbag.  Under his lead, South Africa has turned into one of the most dangerous places on the globe and a hellhole for many there.

He was essentially an early form of the type of terrorist that has plagued our world (especially Israel/Palestine) for the last thirty years.

Quite frankly, he should still be in jail or dead, whichever.

Blaming Mandela for the violence in South Africa today is just wrong. What has happened is that the violence that existed among the dirt poor Africans in the townships and the villages has moved to the fatter targets - the white suburbs - and since the criminals know that the changes of their victims being armed are very high, they take no changes and use extreme violence themself.
South Africa is a country that has been controled by means of force since 1948 (and to a lesser degree before) and along with the extreme difference between rich and poor the basis for violence is present

[Jens]

Good post, Jens

Thanks, and number 400 too ;-)

[opebo]

I had no idea Richius was a racist white South African!  One of that creepy but interesting diaspora.

Its damned kinky that your last boyfriend was black, Richius.  Was he the top?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

gee, this kind of sounds like segregation. oh wait, it is. We all know which side Richius would be on in the 60s.

Apartheid was worse (far worse) than mere Segregation

[Jens]

Behave, opebo, behave!

[Richard]

What part of the US is completely contained within Canada?

http://www.infoplease.com/atlas/state/minnesota.html  Look carefully at northern Minnesota.

I had no idea Richius was a racist white South African!  One of that creepy but interesting diaspora.

How am I racist?

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Bwhahaha.  None of your business pal.

[senatortombstone]

I must admit that my knowledge of South Africa is fairly limited.  When I was in ninth grade (1993-94) I first learned a little about apartheid.  I also saw a movie about Mandela when I was in an eleventh grade African-Asian history class, and the movie “power of One” featuring Steven Dorff.  The only side that was explained in-depth and taught as just, was the black side.  By the time our classed watched the Mandela movie, he had divorced Winnie Mandela.  Apparently she had a penchant for burning people alive.  The first time that I heard a side other than the black on the South Africa issue, was when I watched an episode of 60 minutes that aired around December of 1998.  It wasn’t a pretty picture.  Tens of thousands of rapes and murders per year made it the crime capital of the world.  There were once liberal whites who were interviewed and they said that Mandela was a great man and that he could stop all of this but he wasn’t.  One lady talked about how she knew white people that were once sympathetic to the blacks but now they hated them because of the violence and lawlessness.  It also talked about white flight to nations like Australia and such.  It made me take a different side in this issue.

Don’t get me wrong, I can understand why blacks in South Africa would hate whites; I can understand why Mandela would use violence.  But that doesn’t make it right.

Look at South Africa today!  Is it a paradise?  Is it safe?  Is it a bastion of racial tolerance and equality?  It is funny how the left rallied and lobbied for decades to “free” South Africa and then completely ignores the astronomical crime that the end of apartheid gave birth to.  Did you know that over 1700 farmers have been killed since 1991?  What about the rampant AIDS rate there?  I could go on forever about South Africa and why apartheid was a bad idea, but even worse was the idea to end it!  If I were living in South Africa, during the early 90’s I would have been a champion of the continuation of apartheid.  Look at how terrible the country has become since black rule!  Don’t get me wrong, I am not in support of apartheid policies, but to support ending it in South Africa was a suicidal idea for whites.  The last ten years have been proof of that.  So all you big shots who want to call Richius a racist, would you volunteer to live in South Africa in spite of all of its problems?

BTW Richius, when did you leave South Africa and why?  And do you speak Dutch/Afrikaans?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I had no idea Richius was a racist white South African!  One of that creepy but interesting diaspora.

Its damned kinky that your last boyfriend was black, Richius.  Was he the top?

That's the funniest post you've ever made.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

gee, this kind of sounds like segregation. oh wait, it is. We all know which side Richius would be on in the 60s.

Apartheid was worse (far worse) than mere Segregation

yeah, so I figure anyone defending it would have no problem with segregation either.