Petition to un-mod Inks

[Californian Tony]

Ok, this needs to be done. Hopefully if we are enough we will get Dave to care about this.

X Antonio V

[Vasall des Midas]

The word is demod.

x Lewis

[Senator Kalwejt]

x Kalwejt

[© Tweed the Younger]

as it goes without saying, x Boss Tweed.

I'd also move for a mass 're-sentencing' of every infraction doled out by Inks over the past three months.

[Ѕenator Αverroës]

This is not for Dave, but I hope that others will notice.

x Nix

[Big Wiggly Style]

x 20RP12

[Paul Kemp]

xDC/PK

[Senator Snowstalker]

xSnowstalker

[So the Heroes Fall]

X BRTD

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Inks is not the problem, but there are two problems:

1) the infraction system, esp in regarded to trolling and flame wars on the FC Board.
2) some Mods taking their jobs too seriously, seeing a threat around every corner, and continuing to argue for the current system that has done nothing but turned friends into foes.

we can have a system that protects the site from filters yet provides the level of fun we are seeking...all it would take is an agreement between posters and Mods

[I'm JewCon in name only.]

Inks is not the problem, but there are two problems:

1) the infraction system, esp in regarded to trolling and flame wars on the FC Board.
2) some Mods taking their jobs too seriously, seeing a threat around every corner, and continuing to argue for the current system that has done nothing but turned friends into foes.

we can have a system that protects the site from filters yet provides the level of fun we are seeking...all it would take is an agreement between posters and Mods

This.

[A cowboy always follows his beard]

 xTheObamanation

[Sam Spade]

X Sam Spade (esteemed former Mod)

[patrick1]

Anyone else find it humorous that the owner of the site doesn't visit the forum and his designated representative doesn't use it?  Meanwhile dozens or hundreds waste countless hours on it.

As for Inks, I think he enforces the rules as they are written and perhaps not how it should be enforced.

[Χahar]

It's abundantly clear that he's lost the confidence of the Forum.

X Xahar

[shua]

It's abundantly clear that he's lost the confidence of the Forum.

I thought that was a qualification for the position.

[Lief]

X Lief

Mikado needs to be demodded as well:

Of course Mikado should resign as well. He's generally just as bad as Inks.

I feel like he's overplaying moderator solidarity. "We need to unite because if we don't those damn anarchists will exploit our divisions and turn the forum into a massive trollfest, so even though Inks has gone a bit too far in my view I'm still gonna defend him."

Inks did run this by me beforehand via PM and I signed off on it.

[So the Heroes Fall]

Inks is not the problem, but there are two problems:

1) the infraction system, esp in regarded to trolling and flame wars on the FC Board.
2) some Mods taking their jobs too seriously, seeing a threat around every corner, and continuing to argue for the current system that has done nothing but turned friends into foes.

we can have a system that protects the site from filters yet provides the level of fun we are seeking...all it would take is an agreement between posters and Mods

Exactly. Not to mention we had this for around 6-7 years as well. We need to look at what's gone wrong and revert from that.

[pillage the village, trash the scene]

xPingvin

[Californian Tony]

Inks is not the problem, but there are two problems:

1) the infraction system, esp in regarded to trolling and flame wars on the FC Board.
2) some Mods taking their jobs too seriously, seeing a threat around every corner, and continuing to argue for the current system that has done nothing but turned friends into foes.

we can have a system that protects the site from filters yet provides the level of fun we are seeking...all it would take is an agreement between posters and Mods

Exactly. Not to mention we had this for around 6-7 years as well. We need to look at what's gone wrong and revert from that.

Let's be honest. Intellectual honesty is the best ally of a sound and intelligent critique.

When I joined (feb 2009), the forum was clearly suffering from lack of moderation. There were stupid trolls everywhere and people had to cope with them because no matter how stupid they were, nobody could make them shut up. Most of us lost an enormous amount of time engaging in useless fights with said trolls. It sucked. It started sucking even more when a sociopath from Bakersfield, CA, decided to take over the forum with his army of follower. The year 2010 was absolutely awful, as all energies were spent in dealing with Kyle's attention whoring, Libby's conspiracy theories etc. Something needed to be done and, eventually, something was done. Mods finally waked up and banned Hamilton, then banned his socks, then banned Libertas, then banned Derek, then banned HoffmanJohn. We got rid of the people who made this forum a hell. Dave gave Nym the power to ban posters, and this eased things significantly : finally, we didn't have to wait for 3 months before a public nuisance was duly eliminated. This is a great progress, and we need to acknowledge it.

Now, the problem is not that of a system, it is that of attitudes. It is that some moderators consider it normal to apply ridiculous standards (regarding profanity, regarding banning socks - see the Jake case - or, recently, regarding what is deemed trolling), which, instead of allowing the forum community to prosper, is stifling it. All we want to achieve is to get these moderators to know that the new rules they want to set (since recently) are unworkable and would lead to the forum's death. And, for those who are too obtuse to understand it, have them removed.

[So the Heroes Fall]

I think infraction points as I noted in my other thread have resulted in an inability to distinguish between the spirit and letter of the law. The banning of Jake Matthews over his fairly harmless sock is a great example, especially when equivalents exist in the real world where one is not charged with the full crime if there's extenuating circumstances. In some states laws on computer hacking are written so vaguely that they could constitute someone using someone else's unsecured wi-fi connection. And that's a felony. Now would anyone support going around charging people who steal wi-fi from non-secured connections with a felony?

Inks is such a crazy stickler for the rules it doesn't surprise me, for example him talking about how he thinks marijuana should be legal but if it's not does support arresting and throwing the book at people who break the law and refusal to ever consider jury nullification. The question should be asked if this is the type of personality you want in someone involved in any type of law enforcement, it's basically what a Knight Templar is.

[Gustaf]

People seem generally very unaware of what kind of forum Dave wants to have.

The deluge thread was a thread devoted to personal attacks. Talk about stopping it has been going on for a while and I think the only reason it didn't happen earlier was because everyone knew the usual suspects would take out the pitchforks over it.

[Senator Kalwejt]

People seem generally very unaware of what kind of forum Dave wants to have.

The deluge thread was a thread devoted to personal attacks. Talk about stopping it has been going on for a while and I think the only reason it didn't happen earlier was because everyone knew the usual suspects would take out the pitchforks over it.

And yet this thread was obviously fine until one day Inks woke up and logged in.

[Grumps]

People seem generally very unaware of what kind of forum Dave wants to have.

The deluge thread was a thread devoted to personal attacks. Talk about stopping it has been going on for a while and I think the only reason it didn't happen earlier was because everyone knew the usual suspects would take out the pitchforks over it.

It was harmless since it was quotebacks.......the absurd posts will continue, just not be memorialized. 

Sadly my friend Inks has indeed gone off the deep end either with Mikado's silent consent or outright approval.

When Alcon didn't have a life and did it by himself we didn't have threads like this......

It's just a sad state of affairs here anymore.

[So the Heroes Fall]

If anything that thread DECREASED flame wars and whatnot, people would simply post absurd posts in it instead of going in tit for tat retaliation in the original thread like before it, or making the "Wow is this the stupidest thing you've ever read on this message board?" type polls/threads that were so common before it.