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« on: March 26, 2012, 12:49:15 am »
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Inks,

How about we'll be allowed to have our deluge thread, but without posting our comments, which indeed sometimes can turn nasty, or links to one's entire posting history?

That's a longshot, of course, but maybe we should find a common ground here.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 12:52:33 am »
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That would require working to monitor the thread to ensure that no one does make the comments, so I don't think that would go over very well.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 01:27:39 am »
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That would require working to monitor the thread

Inks seems to like doing his job Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 01:34:17 am »
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That would require working to monitor the thread

Inks seems to like doing his job Tongue

He said part of the reason why he closed the thread was because he doesn't want to do the work to monitor it, so I'm not sure. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 01:38:17 am »
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That would require working to monitor the thread

Inks seems to like doing his job Tongue

He said part of the reason why he closed the thread was because he doesn't want to do the work to monitor it, so I'm not sure. Tongue

Look, just like the Parliament tried to reason with King Charles I one last time, we need to try a little reasoning with Inks, before we'll cut his head off and proclaim the Commonwealth.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 04:50:07 am »

Out of curiosity, if the penalty for making comments was automatically 10 points, regardless of what the comment was, would this still be a compromise people were willing to make?  (Not saying I'm on board - I'm just curious.)
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 05:08:03 am »
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Out of curiosity, if the penalty for making comments was automatically 10 points, regardless of what the comment was, would this still be a compromise people were willing to make?  (Not saying I'm on board - I'm just curious.)

That's ridiculous.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 06:40:23 am »

That would require working to monitor the thread

Inks seems to like doing his job Tongue

He said part of the reason why he closed the thread was because he doesn't want to do the work to monitor it, so I'm not sure. Tongue

It's not that I mind doing the work, but when you have a thread that's more problematic than it is beneficial, it makes sense to just close it down.

Plus, that's not the primary reason it was locked.  The primary reason is that the thread, in principle, goes against Dave's idea for what the forum should be.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 09:31:57 am »
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Plus, that's not the primary reason it was locked.  The primary reason is that the thread, in principle, goes against Dave's idea for what the forum should be.

It becomes funnier and more ridiculous everytime I see it said.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 09:44:03 am »
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Plus, that's not the primary reason it was locked.  The primary reason is that the thread, in principle, goes against Dave's idea for what the forum should be.

It becomes funnier and more ridiculous everytime I see it said.

It's sooo easy to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 09:50:48 am »
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Ah, so now "Dave's idea for what the forum should be" has become the blanket excuse for the moderators to delete whatever they want, whenever they want. Got it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 11:33:08 am »
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Is everyone satisfied that they have an appropriate perspective about what is important in life, and what isn't?  Do folks really feel that they are living in a strait jacket around here, where their ability to express themselves and their opinions has been sapped of its essence?  Just asking. I mean, if it were me,  in the end I probably would not have done what Inks did, in the way he did it, at least without a lot of "foreplay" prior thereto in any event, but Inks did what he did in good faith using his best judgment. And life will go on just fine, with or without that particular thread - at least for me. Trying to organize some Jihad against him, to me is well - excessive. Obviously, my opinion here appears to be a minority one. It won't be the first time!  Tongue

By the way, if it were me, I probably would have shut down threads were one voted as to whether or not a poster was a "horrible person" a long time ago - at least if I thought I could get away with it without precipitating a mass rebellion, leading to my guillotining, with opebo finally getting his wish of operating the device.

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 11:42:14 am »
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...but Inks did what he did in good faith using his best judgment.

that's why I have explicitly stated that I neither blame Inks nor request he be removed from the Mod ranks.  The problem is NOT the Mods, rather it is the attitude that this forum has a "problem" that needs to be "fixed".

I don't think I ever participated in calling someone an HP, it's not my style, but that doesn't mean I think the threads should be banned.  This forum is quickly becoming P.C. Pussyville

WHAT PROBLEM, EXACTLY, ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE?!
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 11:47:04 am »
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Turning down the dial on humiliating, demeaning, and attacking posters on a personal level.  
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 11:50:00 am »
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Out of curiosity, if the penalty for making comments was automatically 10 points, regardless of what the comment was, would this still be a compromise people were willing to make?  (Not saying I'm on board - I'm just curious.)
I don't fault you for shutting down the deluge, but the fact that you are even considering this as a solution is worrying.
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2012, 12:09:20 pm »
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Turning down the dial down on humiliating, demeaning, and attacking posters on a personal level.  

Torie, since you are not a Mod, allow me to treat you as if you were a Mod so that I can display my true feelings without those feelings actually being directed at the Mods (again, this is not directly at you):

if the target of such "insults" is not offended, why is it a problem?  why do you feel the need for a system to interject itself into a debate when both sides aren't having a problem with the level of discourse?

I understand and agree with banning profanity and porn to keep the site from being filtered, but YOUR attempt to ban perceived insults of others when the other hasn't voice an objection, is obviously only going to cause a problem for YOU.  You learn that in school growing up – stick your noise into a heated discussion when you’re not welcomed to do so is only going to cause problems for YOU, so stay out.

Having an animated discussion is just the way some people work out problems between themselves – and on this forum it’s the chosen method for many on both sides.  And just because the argument seems heated, it does NOT mean there is any real animosity between the warring factions.  But, if YOU butt in and interrupt the discourse, then you’re going to create a problem where there was no real problem to being with.

So, again I ask:  Why is there this need to butt into our conversations when neither side is having a problem with the tone of the conversation?  Stop being an ass by antagonizing us with your intrusions!
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 12:14:32 pm »
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I think it is within the terms of use for me to express my opinion (even if as you imply, my opinion is shared by no one else), just as you express yours. And sometimes one's opinion offends others. That is just part of life. And here we have different opinions about the content of the forum - at least at the margins.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 12:24:35 pm »
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i think a perfect example are the debates between Dibble and me...he trolls almost every thread I create on the Religion Board, and I respond by elbowing him in the chest.  But neither one of us have a problem with it, because we are still able to get our point across and move the debate along.

So, even though he and I play rough and trash talk, we still cover a lot of logical ground.  

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Another example -

I grew up with 3 older brothers, and BY FAR the biggest part of the fun of playing games together was the "rolling commentary" in-between plays.  We were not only the players, but we were the color commentators.  And everyone enjoyed the commentary, regardless how lopsided the score and regardless of what side of the score you were on.

But the way this forum is being run, color commentary is considered “trolling”
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2012, 12:32:11 pm »
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I think it is within the terms of use for me to express my opinion (even if as you imply, my opinion is shared by no one else), just as you express yours. And sometimes one's opinion offends others. That is just part of life. And here we have different opinions about the content of the forum - at least at the margins.

But, if you're not a party in the conversation, why do you care that a conversation between two other posters involves elbowing? 

Would you go to the gym and interrupt a game from the sidelines and complain to the teams that they are playing too "rough" when neither side was complaining?  If you did so, you'd wake up in a roadside ditch.
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 12:34:59 pm »
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A mod would be foolish to ignore the relationship between two posters and how they interact with one another. If neither is offended by their sharp elbowed way of interacting with one another, and they actually enjoy it, then of course I would take a laissez faire attitude myself. Nor do I think it "infractible" for someone to follow another poster around and disagree with everything they post (hey, I have been tempted at times to do that with px Tongue). The very term "trolling" is a bit problematical for me actually. It is just too vague and ambiguous and subjective. But I know a personal attack that is beyond the pale when I see one, and the relationship between two posters would need to be rather unusual for me at least to deem that appropriate given the two actors involved.

But hey, be happy, I'm not a mod! I'm just another one of the sans cullottes.

And an internet forum is all about butting in, and giving your own opinion on something that interests you - even if you are not "invited" to do so isn't it?
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 12:47:11 pm »
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A mod would be foolish to ignore the relationship between two posters and how they interact with one another. If neither is offended by their sharp elbowed way of interacting with one another, and they actually enjoy it, then of course I would take a laissez faire attitude myself.

which is why I disagree with the Deluge and HP treads being shutdown, even though I don’t think I ever voted HP.  I didn’t see anyone complaining, even when they were the target.  And trust me, I’ve received probably more HP votes than any poster in the history of this forum.

Shutting those down amounted to needless interjection.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 03:12:24 pm »

Out of curiosity, if the penalty for making comments was automatically 10 points, regardless of what the comment was, would this still be a compromise people were willing to make?  (Not saying I'm on board - I'm just curious.)
I don't fault you for shutting down the deluge, but the fact that you are even considering this as a solution is worrying.

I'm not.  As I said - the main reason I shut it down is that at its core, it was contrary to the purpose of the forum.  I was just curious if the forum community would be willing to sacrifice commenting to get it back.  Apparently they're not - they want all or nothing.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 04:26:37 pm »
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the main reason I shut it down is that at its core, it was contrary to the purpose of the forum.

what exactly is the ”purpose” of this forum?  Discussing politics?  If so, then the FC and OT boards are clearly “contrary to the purpose of this forum”.  But these boards were created for the sole purpose of giving us a sandbox apart from simply discussing politics.

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I was just curious if the forum community would be willing to sacrifice commenting to get it back.  Apparently they're not – they want all or nothing.

Inks, you have a serious attitude problem.  And not just you, but many of the Mods. This forum exists for the entertainment of its posters.  Period.  As a moderator, you’re supposed to be serving the interest of the posters to the extent it does not violate Leip’s interest.

And I’m not going to be convinced Dave has become this anal retentive, unless I hear it from him. 

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 07:28:20 pm »
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Torie, you and I respect Spade.  Do you think he's snapped or is it possible he's on to something?
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 07:56:04 pm »
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Torie, you and I respect Spade.  Do you think he's snapped or is it possible he's on to something?

Are you referring to a specific post?  I don't know to what you refer with the "on to something" thing.

Sam "snapped" a long time ago, and I still enjoy his company. Smiley
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