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« on: March 29, 2012, 10:30:20 pm »
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Makes you wonder if there will be a similar generational revolution within the Republican Party as younger conservatives gain more influence within the ranks and the leadership of the party in the coming years...  

British Conservatives lead charge for gay marriage

By Anthony Faiola, Thursday, March 29, 9:03 PM

LONDON — Americans watching the latest push for social change in Britain might feel as if they had stepped into an alternative political universe: Here, the Conservatives are leading the charge for same-sex marriage.

Gay couples in Britain won the right to civil partnerships in 2004, which granted them nearly the same legal status as married heterosexual couples while avoiding the controversial use of the word “marriage.” But Prime Minister David Cameron and his Conservative-led coalition have launched a historic drive to grant gay men and lesbians the option of also entering into civil marriages, touching off a surprisingly fierce uproar in largely progressive Britain and fueling a rebellion on the right as the party comes under heavy fire from traditional allies in the British clergy.

Yet challenging tradition appears to be exactly Cameron’s point. The proposal, put forward this month despite the lack of a strong clamor for marriage within Britain’s gay community, is nevertheless emerging as the cornerstone of a bid by the 45-year-old prime minister and other young leaders on the right here to redefine what it means to be a modern Conservative.

“I don’t support gay marriage despite being a Conservative,” Cameron said in a recent landmark speech on the issue. “I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative.”
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 11:08:07 pm »
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Major props to Cameron for making this an issue, of course, but isn't the "I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative" line from like a year ago?
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 05:35:47 am »
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The guy who voted for Section 28 to be maintained just 10 or so years ago. I can't say I see this move as heartfelt as much as it is opportunistic.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 05:40:46 am »
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The guy who voted for Section 28 to be maintained just 10 or so years ago. I can't say I see this move as heartfelt as much as it is opportunistic.

Yeah, he only became a 'social liberal' after he won the leadership.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 12:29:49 pm »
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Funny thing'll be that his bankbenchers will revolt on this, big time. It'll be Labour, the LibDems and the Tory frontbench that get this through.

Cameron's Tories aren't the party that the international media says they are.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 01:32:50 pm »
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Funny thing'll be that his bankbenchers will revolt on this, big time. It'll be Labour, the LibDems and the Tory frontbench that get this through.

Cameron's Tories aren't the party that the international media says they are.

They're a bunch of backwards old toffs posing as "progressives". It really is quite sad how easily those outside the UK seem to have been fooled by it.

I'm expecting a Tory rebellion to match that over Europe.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 01:47:23 pm »
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The guy who voted for Section 28 to be maintained just 10 or so years ago. I can't say I see this move as heartfelt as much as it is opportunistic.

To be fair, he did apologise for Section 28 after he became leader... I don't think it's that far-fetched that people can have a change of heart, especially on an issue that people's opinions are evolving on as rapidly as gay rights.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 01:49:49 pm »
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They probably wouldn't even be proposing this if the Scots weren't about to change theirs. Still, it's a welcome change in which there was no certainty of a proposal in the future.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 03:19:43 pm »

They probably wouldn't even be proposing this if the Scots weren't about to change theirs. Still, it's a welcome change in which there was no certainty of a proposal in the future.

It was in our full manifesto. It wasn't in yours Wink
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 07:54:31 pm »
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Ours/yours = Scottish Tories/UK Tories?
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2012, 07:12:13 am »
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The Scottish Tory Party could pretty much promise anything they want at this point, they'll never be in power again.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2012, 05:53:02 am »
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I'm so shocked.

He's such a courageous leader.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2012, 06:49:26 am »
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So spineless... is he a Liberal Democrat in disguise or something?
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2012, 07:03:18 am »
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The fact that he's our least experienced PM in a long time really shows.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2012, 07:13:03 am »
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He could have pushed it through with Lib Dem + Lab votes, he's just pandering to a few reactionary Tory nutters who refuse to live in the modern world.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2012, 10:28:45 am »
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Could labour introduce a gay marriage bill themselves? Because if they could its a win win situation for them, if Cameron backs it he angers his backbenchers and if Cameron doesn't he seems like a homophobe.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2012, 12:57:55 pm »
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A bit Christie-esque, no?
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Where is afleitch to defend his beloved modern Tories now?
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 10:38:41 am »
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Why don't they just have an un-whipped conscience vote on gay marriage the way they had on capital punishment in Britain?  The Tories not paranoid about gays can support their unions, and those who are paranoid can vote no.  Everybody is happy. For once we have a "simple" solution to something. Isn't that grand? Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 10:58:43 am »

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/06/exclusive-david-cameron-not-backing-down-on-equal-marriage/
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 01:20:03 pm »
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But he has done. He's delaying it for no reason other than to please Tory backbenchers.
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Exactly.

"Backing down" doesn't mean the same as "abandoning".

For example, Blair Labour didn't abandon electoral reform, they backed down on it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2012, 03:34:50 pm »
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Blair/Brown Labour also had 13 years with large majorities and no angry backbenchers to (fully) legalize gay marriage, y'know...
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