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Question: is the past a totalitarian force?
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« on: April 09, 2012, 12:25:16 pm »
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you are fully caused.  do not despair: you have internal processes fully of your own right.  you are not a puppet.  you are the past too, you are causal.  you will cause as well as any other, you can take from your environment and make of it something more.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 01:34:27 pm »
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Other. The past is either a libertarian force if we have free will, or a totalitarian one if we do not. I lean toward the latter perspective but honestly consider this mostly an academic query to answer.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 06:53:19 pm »
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the furthest you can carry with a pro-free will argument is that we have relative autonomy within the situations already 99.99% constructed for us.  and no totalitarian force has ever been 'perfected'.  so, irrelevance abounds.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 07:09:41 pm »
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I most surprised to see you using the word 'totalitarian'.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 05:10:10 am »
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No. Totalitarian implies a locus of control in a singular entity. The past is no such entity. It is multivocal. I do not think you can call it a force.
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