Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
September 02, 2014, 09:21:04 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: True Federalist, Former Moderate, Badger)
| | |-+  CT to repeal the death penalty
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 Print
Author Topic: CT to repeal the death penalty  (Read 6068 times)
Landslide Lyndon
px75
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9114
Greece


Political Matrix
E: -2.58, S: -5.22

View Profile
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2012, 04:50:44 am »
Ignore

I usually support the death penalty for extreme cases, where the crime is heinous and the evidence overwhelming.
But it's been so abused in the states that I welcome the steady erosion of its status.
 
Logged

Bob Findley: "You're a real dyed-in-the-wool son-of-a-bitch. Anyone ever told you that?"
Steve Everett: "Just close friends and family,"

Clint Eastwood's "True Crime", 1999.
morgieb
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5298
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2012, 07:22:08 am »
Ignore

Good move.

People that said disgusting = HP.
Logged
Robb the Survivor
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30641
France


View Profile
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2012, 07:27:36 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

Remember guys, conservatives are pro-life.
Logged



Robb of the House Stark, First of his Name, Lord of Winterfell and King in the North



Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
Franzl
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22037
Germany


View Profile
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2012, 07:31:31 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

Remember guys, conservatives are pro-life.

Absolutely. It's just that living beings don't count. But praise Jesus, they're fighting for the unborn!!!
Logged
only back for the worldcup
Lewis Trondheim
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 58778
India


View Profile
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2012, 07:35:50 am »
Ignore

The unborn are undeniably living beings. People don't count.
Logged

"The secret to having a rewarding work-life balance is to have no life. Then it's easy to keep things balanced by doing no work." Wally



"Our party do not have any ideology... Our main aim is to grab power ... Every one is doing so but I say it openly." Keshav Dev Maurya
two glass houses, twenty stones
Pingvin99
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2368
Estonia


View Profile
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2012, 07:40:59 am »
Ignore

Unborn do not kill people.
Logged

Franzl
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22037
Germany


View Profile
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2012, 07:43:47 am »
Ignore

Unborn do not kill people.

Nor do "pro-life" people. Or rather, they usually are in favor, but it certainly isn't consistent.
Logged
homelycooking
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6080
Belize


View Profile
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2012, 08:16:37 am »
Ignore

Unborn do not kill people.

Conceptions of justice and legal ethics have advanced a bit since the days of the lex talionis, my friend.
Logged
Holmes
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6907
Canada


View Profile
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2012, 08:19:16 am »
Ignore

The chances that CA voters repeal the death penalty are not too bad actually.

The ballot language will probably include "and replace it with life imprisonment without the chance of parole".

And the latest Field poll shows:

48% life without parole
40% death penalty

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2393.pdf

And as you can see from the historical poll results, support for life without parole is steadily increasing.

If you think California voters will repeal the death penalty, you're crazy.
Logged

morays or demon
Ghost_white
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3623


View Profile
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2012, 08:32:23 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

It's easy to understand why people would be disgusted that tax payers are being made to house, clothe, feed and provide recreation and entertainment for people that in many cases are violent multiple offenders. Although given how expensive and slow death row is I can't say I particularly care. But I can understand why people would react so viscerally to this.
Logged


That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.

Don't worry, I'm sure more will crop up shortly.
Purch
Full Member
***
Posts: 196


View Profile
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2012, 08:37:03 am »
Ignore

Now they just need to overturn Roe vs Wade. Both of these issues should of been handled individually by the state in the first place, I feel any federal government involvement in either of these issues is a huge overreach and really goes against state sovereignty. If it was an issue like "Gay rights" I'd be much more open to a federal decision to protect rights because I feel that borders on a Civil rights issue.

Personally I find it a huge contradiction when conservatives are "Pro life", then they try and justify the killing of selective inmates; the same why I find it a contradiction when Liberals defend a women's right to kill her fetus and then would fight to the death to protect the life on an inmate.

Personally I'm against both abortion and the death penalty for the same reason because I feel my life should be protected from the time I'm first conceived to the time when I'm on trial for a crime(Hypothetically of course).



Logged

Those gravestones don't say democrat or republican those gravestones say American.
Franzl
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22037
Germany


View Profile
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2012, 08:39:06 am »
Ignore

I go back and forth on my personal feeling regarding the ethics of capital punishment itself (assuming perfect implementation, which doesn't exist). On one hand, the State can punish people who commit crimes, whether you steal their money or freedom (jail) as a punishment or take their life (execution), it seems rather comparable, just varying levels of severity.

On the other hand, I often feel that everyone has (or should have, depending on country) an absolute, undeniable right to live, no matter who he is and what he did, and the irreversible nature of death does make it different from other punishments.

Whatever you think, though, it's certainly inappropriate to consider NOT killing people disgusting. That's just a basic principle of decency. That indicates a lack of character and conscience (both of which are true about the poster in question).
Logged
morays or demon
Ghost_white
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3623


View Profile
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2012, 09:02:21 am »
Ignore

I go back and forth on my personal feeling regarding the ethics of capital punishment itself (assuming perfect implementation, which doesn't exist). On one hand, the State can punish people who commit crimes, whether you steal their money or freedom (jail) as a punishment or take their life (execution), it seems rather comparable, just varying levels of severity.

On the other hand, I often feel that everyone has (or should have, depending on country) an absolute, undeniable right to live, no matter who he is and what he did, and the irreversible nature of death does make it different from other punishments.

Whatever you think, though, it's certainly inappropriate to consider NOT killing people disgusting. That's just a basic principle of decency. That indicates a lack of character and conscience (both of which are true about the poster in question).

Well sure, but then prison isn't exactly risk free for inmates. My personal attitude leans more towards just executing people with multiple strikes though as I implied earlier. I could see some ambiguity in terms of individual murder cases but not if someone has a repeated pattern of psychopathic behavior that makes them extremely dangerous to staff or inmates. My gut feeling is such people should just be put down.
Logged


That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.

Don't worry, I'm sure more will crop up shortly.
only back for the worldcup
Lewis Trondheim
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 58778
India


View Profile
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2012, 11:14:55 am »
Ignore

Whatever you think, though, it's certainly inappropriate to consider NOT killing people disgusting. That's just a basic principle of decency. That indicates a lack of character and conscience (both of which are true about the poster in question).
Standards vary. I tend to think the gloating over the assassination of a political enemy inappropriate and disgusting and violating basic principles of decency, and most people here seem to feel the same way.
Neither our Chancellor nor virtually any American seems to agree, though.
Logged

"The secret to having a rewarding work-life balance is to have no life. Then it's easy to keep things balanced by doing no work." Wally



"Our party do not have any ideology... Our main aim is to grab power ... Every one is doing so but I say it openly." Keshav Dev Maurya
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22203
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.94, S: -8.09

View Profile
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2012, 11:18:20 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

Remember guys, conservatives are pro-life.

Unless that life is gay, black, Atheist, Muslim, Hispanic...you know what, anyone who isn't white. White American. No, just no rights for anyone.
Logged


Also, it's so R-Money to unabashedly ruin a thousand dollar suit with ice water and laugh about it.
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 36869


View Profile
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2012, 11:28:06 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

I have a question: since you are so attached to having the death penalty, would you have balls to personally push the button?
Logged
morays or demon
Ghost_white
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3623


View Profile
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2012, 11:50:54 am »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

Remember guys, conservatives are pro-life.

Unless that life is gay, black, Atheist, Muslim, Hispanic...you know what, anyone who isn't white. White American. No, just no rights for anyone.
Uh, "conservatives" are so pathetic on racial pandering they like to claim Martin Luther King Jr. was one of them at this point and brag that Bush's administration was the most "diverse."
Logged


That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.

Don't worry, I'm sure more will crop up shortly.
politicus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3723
Denmark


View Profile
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2012, 01:08:01 pm »
Ignore

The chances that CA voters repeal the death penalty are not too bad actually.

The ballot language will probably include "and replace it with life imprisonment without the chance of parole".

And the latest Field poll shows:

48% life without parole
40% death penalty

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2393.pdf

And as you can see from the historical poll results, support for life without parole is steadily increasing.

If you think California voters will repeal the death penalty, you're crazy.
Why? The polls are favorable.
Logged

Every time I see Denmark I just want to punch it in the face...
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22203
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.94, S: -8.09

View Profile
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2012, 02:08:47 pm »
Ignore

Disgusting.

Really? Not that you disagree with it, not that you think it's ineffectual policy, but the notion of not executing criminals disgusts you? Your morals are f'ed.

Remember guys, conservatives are pro-life.

Unless that life is gay, black, Atheist, Muslim, Hispanic...you know what, anyone who isn't white. White American. No, just no rights for anyone.

Uh, "conservatives" are so pathetic on racial pandering they like to claim Martin Luther King Jr. was one of them at this point and brag that Bush's administration was the most "diverse."

Yes, I know. My mother, who is a Conservative, always uses the "Martin Luther King was a Republican, Carl" excuse, to which I usually respond with "so was Teddy Roosevelt."
Logged


Also, it's so R-Money to unabashedly ruin a thousand dollar suit with ice water and laugh about it.
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 36869


View Profile
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2012, 03:54:01 pm »
Ignore

I can't see states like California repealing the death penalty, but I can't see these states coming close to use it again either.

In states like California or Pennsylvania, the death penalty became essentially an extremely expensive form of life in prison.

Pennsylvania is a very good example: there were literally hundreds of death warrants signed by all successive Governors since Dick Thornburgh. And yet, there were only three executions, all in 1990s (which was most prolific decade in executing inmates since 1977). All three were "volunteers", that waived their appeals and refused to ask for clemency.

The death penalty in the United States is in decline. Severeal states abolished it, in others, as I said, death sentence is effectively life in prison.

Of course, I can't see it abolished entirely in near (and probably later) future. But executions number is going down even in very pro-death penalty states, especially in the South.

Unborn do not kill people.

Unborn is not a part of society.

This is probably the dumbest argument ever made on Atlas, at least since I'm here.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2012, 03:57:09 pm by Kalwejt »Logged
LastVoter
seatown
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4466
Thailand


View Profile
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2012, 04:21:50 pm »
Ignore

Unborn do not kill people.
So you accept that fetuses and humans are different then?
Logged
Harry
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18881
United States


View Profile
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2012, 06:17:09 pm »
Ignore

Since the death penalty is more expensive than feeding and housing a prisoner for a life sentence, any Republican or Libertarian who supports the death penalty is a hypocrite.
Logged
Frodo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13461
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2012, 06:24:31 pm »
Ignore

Disgusting.

I have a question: since you are so attached to having the death penalty, would you have balls to personally push the button?

If the convict in question harmed me personally by killing a member of my family, I would push that damn button in a heartbeat.  And he should be thanking his lucky stars that I let the law take its course as opposed to taking it in my own hands.    

But that's just me.

Now back to my less emotional, and more rational side:

Since the death penalty is more expensive than feeding and housing a prisoner for a life sentence, any Republican or Libertarian who supports the death penalty is a hypocrite.

That would be a major reason why I would acquiesce in its repeal, if you look at it in a purely cost-benefit-analysis standpoint.

Of course that, and the fact that our criminal justice system has its imperfections, particularly for those of less economic means, which results in suspects being convicted of crimes they did not commit, which sometimes results in innocents being executed.  
« Last Edit: April 07, 2012, 06:33:03 pm by Frodo »Logged

Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 36869


View Profile
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2012, 06:29:57 pm »
Ignore

Disgusting.

I have a question: since you are so attached to having the death penalty, would you have balls to personally push the button?

If the convict in question harmed me personally by killing a member of my family, I would push that damn button in a heartbeat.  And he should be thanking his lucky stars that I let the law take its course as opposed to taking it in my own hands.    

But that's just me. 

And if the case does not involve you personally, would you be willing to personally push the button, since you support the death penalty?

After all, it's in your name already.
Logged
Frodo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13461
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2012, 06:39:05 pm »
Ignore

Disgusting.

I have a question: since you are so attached to having the death penalty, would you have balls to personally push the button?

If the convict in question harmed me personally by killing a member of my family, I would push that damn button in a heartbeat.  And he should be thanking his lucky stars that I let the law take its course as opposed to taking it in my own hands.    

But that's just me.  

And if the case does not involve you personally, would you be willing to personally push the button, since you support the death penalty?

After all, it's in your name already.

I probably would -after all, the victim that same convict raped, tortured, and killed without remorse could just as easily be a family member.  

Are there any more hypothetical questions, Kalwejt, or would that be all?  
« Last Edit: April 07, 2012, 06:46:07 pm by Frodo »Logged

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines