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« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2012, 02:29:39 pm »
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« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2012, 04:15:29 pm »
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I suspect that the support of the death penalty is rooted in the extremely natural, rational, and reasonable human desire for vengeance for evildoers. And our Constitution of course implicitly accepts the legality of executing such villains. Nothing wrong with that!
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« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2012, 04:24:46 pm »
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« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2012, 04:31:31 pm »
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I suspect that the support of the death penalty is rooted in the extremely natural, rational, and reasonable human desire for vengeance for evildoers. And our Constitution of course implicitly accepts the legality of executing such villains. Nothing wrong with that!

Now that is what the government is for. Not protecting the rights of voters, not balancing the playing field, not improving the economy for more than a few thousand people. It's killing its citizens. And for emotional reasons no less! How very liberal of you, using emotion as a driving force in political and legally murderous momentary satisfaction. Cost effective and rational, excellent.

PS - google rational, I don't think you're getting it
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« Reply #104 on: April 25, 2012, 04:37:58 pm »
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« Reply #105 on: April 25, 2012, 04:42:20 pm »
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Good thing we believe that the value of human life should be determined by the polls.

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« Reply #106 on: April 25, 2012, 06:16:14 pm »
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I suspect that the support of the death penalty is rooted in the extremely natural, rational, and reasonable human desire for vengeance for evildoers. And our Constitution of course implicitly accepts the legality of executing such villains. Nothing wrong with that!

Now that is what the government is for. Not protecting the rights of voters, not balancing the playing field, not improving the economy for more than a few thousand people. It's killing its citizens. And for emotional reasons no less! How very liberal of you, using emotion as a driving force in political and legally murderous momentary satisfaction. Cost effective and rational, excellent.

PS - google rational, I don't think you're getting it

Hmm? Governments have used death to punish infamous criminals for thousands of years now. If there is indeed a list of the 'purposes' of government, it is to rid society of such individuals to ensure the freedom of man. Your types of Robin Hooding through mechanisms such as the income tax were certainly not supported by our founders who created this government.
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« Reply #107 on: April 25, 2012, 10:14:28 pm »
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I suspect that the support of the death penalty is rooted in the extremely natural, rational, and reasonable human desire for vengeance for evildoers. And our Constitution of course implicitly accepts the legality of executing such villains. Nothing wrong with that!

Now that is what the government is for. Not protecting the rights of voters, not balancing the playing field, not improving the economy for more than a few thousand people. It's killing its citizens. And for emotional reasons no less! How very liberal of you, using emotion as a driving force in political and legally murderous momentary satisfaction. Cost effective and rational, excellent.

PS - google rational, I don't think you're getting it

Hmm? Governments have used death to punish infamous criminals for thousands of years now. If there is indeed a list of the 'purposes' of government, it is to rid society of such individuals to ensure the freedom of man. Your types of Robin Hooding through mechanisms such as the income tax were certainly not supported by our founders who created this government.
The founders blah blah this that. We can't know what they would think, and who gives a sh**t what people thought two hundred years ago.
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« Reply #108 on: April 25, 2012, 11:53:45 pm »
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Are you some type of Gilles de Rais type of person that has never thought it might be possible that a natural instinct could be, uh, wrong?

I suspect that the support of the death penalty is rooted in the extremely natural, rational, and reasonable human desire for vengeance for evildoers. And our Constitution of course implicitly accepts the legality of executing such villains. Nothing wrong with that!

Now that is what the government is for. Not protecting the rights of voters, not balancing the playing field, not improving the economy for more than a few thousand people. It's killing its citizens. And for emotional reasons no less! How very liberal of you, using emotion as a driving force in political and legally murderous momentary satisfaction. Cost effective and rational, excellent.

PS - google rational, I don't think you're getting it

Hmm? Governments have used death to punish infamous criminals for thousands of years now. If there is indeed a list of the 'purposes' of government, it is to rid society of such individuals to ensure the freedom of man.

This is what is known among the kids these days as 'the big house', which is a much cheaper option (something that was not the case for thousands of years) and does not have significantly less value as a deterrent. I suppose if you're only interested in revenge it's somewhat disappointing, but I honestly don't care what people who are only interested in revenge think.

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Your types of Robin Hooding through mechanisms such as the income tax were certainly not supported by our founders who created this government.

Of course not. Those people were rich, many of them owning humans as private property. Also, you know, agrarian society, two hundred years ago, radically different political economy, et cetera.
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« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2012, 12:42:32 am »
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Krazey is just trolling as usual.
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« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2012, 06:37:44 am »
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To say wanting vengeance for a crime is not rational or reasonable is ignoring human nature- I agree that it shouldn't be the driver behind our laws because laws should be above emotion and focus only on fact... however it IS a natural reaction and it is a purpose of punishment
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« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2012, 06:41:03 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?
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« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2012, 06:48:42 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Justice?
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« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2012, 06:57:05 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

I don't personally believe in it (usually), but many will argue "rehabilitation".
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« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2012, 07:01:43 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Justice?
True, but thats a highly abstract concept and closely related to revenge. Generally as a victim you feel that justice has been served, if your offender is punished hard enough to satisfy your thirst for revenge. Preventing people from taking revenge themselves by punishing the offender hard enough to satisfy the victims (and his familys) thirst for vengance is a central part of the justice system.
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« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2012, 07:25:02 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.
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« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2012, 08:02:11 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Justice?

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« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2012, 10:00:56 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

If vengeance was the purpose mutilation, torture and public humiliation would be easier, cheaper and more efficient. The purpose of imprisonment are twofold removing a potential threat to society and rehabilitation.
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« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2012, 10:02:20 am »
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Excellent.
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« Reply #119 on: April 26, 2012, 10:10:15 am »
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What about the people already on Death Row?
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« Reply #120 on: April 26, 2012, 10:52:06 am »
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I still love that this is what the GA has been wasting its time on. Not like there are any other important issues facing the state right now.
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« Reply #121 on: April 26, 2012, 10:53:32 am »
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Wait vengeance is the primary purpose of the justice system? So we seek "vengeance" against people who drive too fast or illegally park?
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« Reply #122 on: April 26, 2012, 12:55:19 pm »
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Wait vengeance is the primary purpose of the justice system? So we seek "vengeance" against people who drive too fast or illegally park?
I believe the primary purpose is deterrence- people get a ticket, others don't park illegally or speed. People get fried- others don't murder
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« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2012, 01:01:27 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

I believe to correct answer would be to maintain a peaceful, law-abiding and functional society.
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« Reply #124 on: April 26, 2012, 01:03:02 pm »
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Wait vengeance is the primary purpose of the justice system? So we seek "vengeance" against people who drive too fast or illegally park?
I believe the primary purpose is deterrence- people get a ticket, others don't park illegally or speed. People get fried- others don't murder

There have been studies of crime rates in jurisdictions with versus without various types of punishment to back up the idea that the death penalty and life without parole aren't notably different in terms of deterrent effect, though.
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