To the white straight male Christian bourgeoisie....

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think any one of us feels "oppressed" but to say current laws and many parts of culture are not at least intended to be geared against us would be untrue...

Which laws and parts of culture are you refering to ?

[Franzl]

I don't think any one of us feels "oppressed" but to say current laws and many parts of culture are not at least intended to be geared against us would be untrue...

Which laws and parts of culture are you refering to ?

The only thing I would possibly name is affirmative action, which obviously doesn't qualify as "oppression".

Other than that, I think Western societies, as Deadman notes, are pretty good on the "not oppressing others" front.

[opebo]

Come on clarence, even today the white male upper class is nearly absolutely privileged.

And in yours or my father's day, can you imagine a black walking into a bank and asking to borrow a few million to do a subdivision?

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

I don't think any one of us feels "oppressed" but to say current laws and many parts of culture are not at least intended to be geared against us would be untrue...

All of that is heavily outweighed by the parts of the culture that are geared in favour of you. I'd be especially interested to know which aspect of law/culture is geared against heterosexuals and Christians.

[dead0man]

Which aspect of our law is geared towards Christians? 


(I agree our culture is, at least on the surface, geared in a Christianish direction by inertia if nothing else..and obviously our law/culture favors heteros over others...to say otherwise is ignorance...not to say being gay in a Western nation in 2012 is bad, it's as good as it's been in thousands of years...maybe ever, you hear different stories on the subject as far as ancient Greeks and Romans go..my point being, it's better to be gay in 2012, than it was to be gay in 2002, 1992, 1982 or any other time in recent history.).

[Hash]

I don't think any one of us feels "oppressed" but to say current laws and many parts of culture are not at least intended to be geared against us would be untrue...

Which laws and parts of culture are you refering to ?

TEH GAY AGENDA!!111

[Pingvin]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

[© tweed]

civilization is oppression

and oppression is civilization, so all we need are two more slogans for Atlas Forumism (or AtFor for short) and we ask Big Dave to create the Atlas Forumism board.

we need to develop a functional conception of Atlasism post-domestication.

[Gustaf]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

[© tweed]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

majority of power/wealth/etc.

[Antonio the Sixth]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Serious question : do you get $1 for every retarded post you make ? Because otherwise I don't get it.

[Pingvin]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Serious question : do you get $1 for every retarded post you make ? Because otherwise I don't get it.

Fun fact: If I used same phrase aganist you, you'd reported me immideatly.

[Antonio the Sixth]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Serious question : do you get $1 for every retarded post you make ? Because otherwise I don't get it.

Fun fact: If I used same phrase aganist you, you'd reported me immideatly.

I've never reported any personal attack against me, FTR. I've only reported 2 or 3 posts since I registered 3 years ago.

[Redalgo]

...you are not oppressed. Stop acting like a bunch of victims.

That is all.

People are prone to developing biased, distorted perceptions of those in unfamiliar social groups.

Relative to others living in the States, the fair-skinned European Americans, heterosexuals, men, Christians, and higher-income workers constitute dominant social groups that possess privileged measures of access to capital. But one really ought to bear in mind many, if not most people who fit into these categories do not feel acutely threatened by gains being made by their subordinate counterparts. I reckon the main issue here is right-wing authoritarians reacting predictably when out-groups present a "threat" to what they (the RWAs) consider to be their in-groups' interests, in addition to so-called "social dominators" having a strongly pro-hierarchical, anti-egalitarian attitude regarding how folks should interact with each other. However, I seriously doubt most well-off folk respond to the worse-off wanting more equity, acceptance, and opportunities by persecuting them and playing victim once they come to understand that most folks of the latter sort do not intend to rise up and then - seeking revenge - subjugate or otherwise wrong those in the former category.

[Gustaf]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

majority of power/wealth/etc.

That seems to be stretching the definition of majority quite a bit, though.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

OK...laws and culture

Many of you mentioned affirmative action- this is clear. It may have been needed at first but is well past that time. I'll give you a few others- the way most divorces are handled that the wife cleans up house...child custody laws where the mother is nearly always prefered...rape cases where the female involved is often dishonest but the man gets trial by media

Culture- the type of cases that make headlines. Take Trayvon Martin and Eve Carson- a student at the University of North Carolina murdered by two young black men...both cases are tragedies but there is a clear difference in how they were reported- the Trayvon case is a put up as a national tragedy and a race issue with the President calling Trayvon's parnts...the Eve Carson murder was not given the same reatment as a tragedy and was covered as a random act of violence and quickly forgotten

 Culture has been movin in this direction for a long time... the Ten Commandments being displayed is a national outrage but any mention of needing to ban Sharia Law is treated as "bigoted" and "crazy"... Sotomayor can talka bout how the court needs a "wise Latina woman" but if I got nominated tomorrow and I said "we need a wise white man on the court" I would get called a bigot and pullled...

My problem is not with people being proud or in touch with their culture... blacks, Jews, gays, and others have suffered enormously and have come to be largely accepted and successful...but let's face it- at the risk of sounding like a douchebag to you folks- white men built the world we know. Charlemagne (an ancestor of mine) to the British monarchs to the settlers and conquistadors to our Foudning Fathers... folks like me did it. They did some bad things along the way- treatment of Native Americans and other native peoples is certainly one- but it seems the focus of our culture nowadays is on the bad they did and not the good...and the fact that I have to preface talking about the good by "at risk of sounding like a douchebag" shows my point

[© tweed]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

majority of power/wealth/etc.

That seems to be stretching the definition of majority quite a bit, though.

as you know well, buddy, I have a broad mind.

[dead0man]

I think they like to be called women (or maybe womyn).

[Oakvale]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

Well, we're certainly a majority in the sociological sense, although as usual I don't know what horrible point Pingvin is trying to make.

[minionofmidas]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

majority of power/wealth/etc.

That seems to be stretching the definition of majority quite a bit, though.

http://sociologyindex.com/majority.htm

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Serious question : do you get $1 for every retarded post you make ? Because otherwise I don't get it.

I'm afraid he's a True Believer.

And that's waaay worse.

[Gustaf]

To: Poor Black Muslim Vegan Socialist Lesbians
STFU. We're still majority on this planet.

Who are we? White people certainly aren't a majority on the planet and any subset of males obviously isn't either...

majority of power/wealth/etc.

That seems to be stretching the definition of majority quite a bit, though.

as you know well, buddy, I have a broad mind.

More broad than deep, certainly.

Lewis: I guess I should have anticipated that nothing is so absurd that it has not been said by a sociologist. I prefer not to draw pseudo-science into discussions though.

[King]

[Sbane]

OK...laws and culture

Many of you mentioned affirmative action- this is clear. It may have been needed at first but is well past that time. I'll give you a few others- the way most divorces are handled that the wife cleans up house...child custody laws where the mother is nearly always prefered...rape cases where the female involved is often dishonest but the man gets trial by media

Culture- the type of cases that make headlines. Take Trayvon Martin and Eve Carson- a student at the University of North Carolina murdered by two young black men...both cases are tragedies but there is a clear difference in how they were reported- the Trayvon case is a put up as a national tragedy and a race issue with the President calling Trayvon's parnts...the Eve Carson murder was not given the same reatment as a tragedy and was covered as a random act of violence and quickly forgotten

 Culture has been movin in this direction for a long time... the Ten Commandments being displayed is a national outrage but any mention of needing to ban Sharia Law is treated as "bigoted" and "crazy"... Sotomayor can talka bout how the court needs a "wise Latina woman" but if I got nominated tomorrow and I said "we need a wise white man on the court" I would get called a bigot and pullled...

My problem is not with people being proud or in touch with their culture... blacks, Jews, gays, and others have suffered enormously and have come to be largely accepted and successful...but let's face it- at the risk of sounding like a douchebag to you folks- white men built the world we know. Charlemagne (an ancestor of mine) to the British monarchs to the settlers and conquistadors to our Foudning Fathers... folks like me did it. They did some bad things along the way- treatment of Native Americans and other native peoples is certainly one- but it seems the focus of our culture nowadays is on the bad they did and not the good...and the fact that I have to preface talking about the good by "at risk of sounding like a douchebag" shows my point

I will respond to a few of these. Regarding the comparison between the Trayvon Martin case and Eve Carson case, the difference is that there was never any doubt that she was murdered and her murderers were apprehended and prosecuted. Trayvon's murderer is sitting at home right now, not in a jail. Surely you can see why the media coverage might be different.

Again there is a difference between putting the ten commandments in front of a government building and just straight up outlawing sharia law. No one was trying to put a stone with sharia law written on it in front of a court. If the ten commandments were being banned like sharia law has been in one state, you would have a legitimate complaint. Indeed, thanks for bringing this up since it shows how CHRISTIANS are being put on a pedestal in America. Ideally every religion should be equal, no?

White men did build the world that we know, but that doesn't mean they were the only ones capable of it. Do you think that, Clarence? Do you think there is something inherent within whites that made them capable of this and could not have been accomplished by any other race? Whites conquered the world with guns....not something I am willing to give a lot of accolades for. The scientific method is something that you do need to give credit to westerners for though. Especially the way someone was able to build on someone else's work to discover something new or unique. Similar ways of thinking were used in other cultures for various discoveries, but nothing as systematic as the scientific method was ever produced. Still, even that produced it's share of horrible inventions, like the atomic bombs or bigger and better guns, as well as good inventions like vaccines and new medicines and medical procedures. Also one must mention that for most of history, non-whites were excluded from even participating in this. These days everyone has a better chance and many immigrants from all around the world are involved in researching the newest drugs or inventions. That is better than the past, no?

[dead0man]

Still, even that produced it's share of horrible inventions, like the atomic bombs or bigger and better guns,

The atomic bomb saved hundreds of thousands of lives at the end of WWII, and arguably kept the West and the USSR from fighting, possibly saving millions and millions more.  And thank your god WE were the ones to discover it first heh?  And starvation kills a LOT more people than guns do yet we have plenty of food on this planet.  sh**tty governments are much MUCH worse than any gun.  "better" or not.