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morgieb
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Vale Robert Mugabe?
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April 10, 2012, 12:21:39 am »
Farewell to another tyrant?
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dead0man
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Re: Vale Robert Mugabe?
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SWEET!, he's on my
Dicktasters
deadpool list. After Joe Paterno, that makes 2 for me off that list. Come on Castro brothers, you can do it!
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
Lief
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I had no idea he was that old.
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politicus
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Quote from: morgieb on April 10, 2012, 12:21:39 am
Farewell to another tyrant?
Lets hope so.
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Quote from: Senator Pingvin on April 10, 2012, 05:21:44 am
Sometimes I want to knock his brains off with .45 and say: "This is for Rhodesia and Smith!"
Huh? Massacres on the Ndebeles, torture and murder of political opponents, ruining the economy and throwing poor guest workers out of the country + confiscating farms and giving them to faux war veterans ... And you choose Ian Smith and Rhodesia to be mad about! That is his one good deed.
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wormyguy
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The Smith regime
was
objectively the better one for everyone except Mugabe's inner circle.
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April 10, 2012, 11:42:21 am »
Frankly I am shocked at how long he has lived... same for Mandela
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politicus
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Re: Vale Robert Mugabe?
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April 10, 2012, 12:14:29 pm »
Quote from: I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive. on April 10, 2012, 11:36:11 am
The Smith regime
was
objectively the better one for everyone except Mugabe's inner circle.
Which doesn't say much given Mugabe's record. But it still was a racist regime and removing it was therefore a good deed.
Given all the cruelties Mugabe has committed against Black Africans it seems strange and disrespectful to his victims to be especially mad about the removal of the Smith-regime (which had a miserable human rights record itself).
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Quote from: I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive. on April 10, 2012, 11:36:11 am
The Smith regime
was
objectively the better one for everyone except Mugabe's inner circle.
Well, yes, but that's terrible.
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April 10, 2012, 05:48:14 pm »
I would prefer Smith to Mugabe a thousand times over. Ian Smith was not a dictator, just a misguided neocolonialist leader with some slight autocratic tendencies. In other terms, a less annoying version of Hugo Chavez.
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Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on April 10, 2012, 05:48:14 pm
I would prefer Smith to Mugabe a thousand times over. Ian Smith was not a dictator, just a misguided neocolonialist leader with some slight autocratic tendencies. In other terms, a less annoying version of Hugo Chavez.
Uhuh. You'd still agree though, presumably, that it's a bit peculiar to want to murder Mugabe to avenge Ian Smith's regime, rather than for the myriad other legitimate reasons to dislike Mugabe, as our quasi(?)-fascist Russian friend wants to, no?
The idea of Ian Smith as some kind of bumbling, old-fashioned British gentleman who made a few silly mistakes is also ridiculous, of course, but one thing at a time.
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Quote from: Oakvale on April 10, 2012, 08:21:43 pm
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on April 10, 2012, 05:48:14 pm
I would prefer Smith to Mugabe a thousand times over. Ian Smith was not a dictator, just a misguided neocolonialist leader with some slight autocratic tendencies. In other terms, a less annoying version of Hugo Chavez.
Uhuh. You'd still agree though, presumably, that it's a bit peculiar to want to murder Mugabe to avenge Ian Smith's regime, rather than for the myriad other legitimate reasons to dislike Mugabe, as our quasi(?)-fascist Russian friend wants to, no?
The idea of Ian Smith as some kind of bumbling, old-fashioned British gentleman who made a few silly mistakes is also ridiculous, of course, but one thing at a time.
Agreed, the guy who laid this gem:
"I don't believe in black majority rule ever for Rhodesia, not in a thousand years"
Probably should not be held in any sort of high regard (or even excused)
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Zioneer
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April 10, 2012, 09:42:56 pm »
So according to
this Telegraph article
, it seems that Mugabe may be handing power to the one man in Zimbabwe more terrifying than Mugabe himself. This isn't a good sign.
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politicus
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April 11, 2012, 08:48:39 am »
It is hard to see real change happening as long as the Army is against it, but at least Mugabes death opens a window of opportunity. Hopefully ZANU-PF moderates will win the internal power struggle, but the huge number of people that have looted farm land to protect will most likely prefer a strongman like Emmerson.
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belgiansocialist
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Quote from: I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive. on April 10, 2012, 11:36:11 am
The Smith regime
was
objectively the better one for everyone except Mugabe's inner circle.
You know Wormy, being a 'libertarian' doesn't somehow oblige you to jump to the defense of any white supremacist about whom unpleasant things are implied on the Atlas Forum.
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dead0man
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Re: Vale Robert Mugabe?
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April 11, 2012, 11:10:20 pm »
Ya know, whatever the frank your name is, hating Wormy doesn't somehow oblige you to assume everything he writes is wrong. His only post in this thread is an accurate one, is it not? Obviously (at least to me) being "better than Mugabe" is damning with faint praise, but perhaps you read that differently than I.
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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April 12, 2012, 04:52:43 am »
It's obviously not entirely accurate because if the
only
people to benefit from ZANU-PF rule were Mugabe's inner circle, then Mugabe (and ZANU-PF) would have been toppled decades ago.
Obviously beyond such nitpicking it isn't
wrong
. But it's irrelevant.
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Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on April 10, 2012, 05:48:14 pm
I would prefer Smith to Mugabe a thousand times over. Ian Smith
was not a dictator
, just a
misguided
neocolonialist leader with some
slight
autocratic tendencies. In other terms, a
less annoying
version of Hugo Chavez.
This is not bad anymore and you shouldn't feel bad. You should feel dirty.
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Re: Vale Robert Mugabe?
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Quote from: Kalwejt on April 12, 2012, 08:38:22 am
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on April 10, 2012, 05:48:14 pm
I would prefer Smith to Mugabe a thousand times over. Ian Smith
was not a dictator
, just a
misguided
neocolonialist leader with some
slight
autocratic tendencies. In other terms, a
less annoying
version of Hugo Chavez.
This is not bad anymore and you shouldn't feel bad. You should feel dirty.
I do feel dirty.
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dead0man
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April 12, 2012, 10:43:34 pm »
A dirty sanchez? oh my!
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Quote from: Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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Quote from: I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive. on April 10, 2012, 11:36:11 am
The Smith regime
was
objectively the better one for everyone except Mugabe's inner circle.
lolno
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Re: Vale Robert Mugabe?
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Why are we still arguing over who of a dirty racist bastard and a crazy egomaniac was the less awful ? Is it really worth it ?
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There are plenty of reasons to dislike Mugabe, but opposing Ian Smith is not one of them.
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Ian Smith to Hugo Chavez is one of the more interesting analogies I've seen drawn this week.
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