European Constitution

[Јas]

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[Middle-aged Europe]

No idea.

I don´t think it is THOUGHT as a blueprint for a European super-state... but you never know into what it will develop.

What is a "super-state" anyway? I hear this term often in relation with the EU, but nobody ever explained it to me.

Is it supposed to be a synonym for a EU-turned-into-a-federal-state?

[Richard]

It is a pile of sh**t and won't work.  Not with all the welfare clauses.

[Bono]

Yes, it is, but it could've been worst if the French ahd gotten their way with all that ax armnization crap. That being said:

NOT IN MY NAME

[Michael Z]

No idea.

I don´t think it is THOUGHT as a blueprint for a European super-state... but you never know into what it will develop.

My thought exactly. Many would like us to believe that the EU is some big conspiracy to unite everyone in one European nation state, but in reality there is no big agenda behind all this. It's a blind process.

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Super-state is an emotive term used by the "liberal media" to scare people into thinking that the EU is something harrowing and monstrous that is going to crush people's liberties. Well, at least that's how I interpret it.

[??????????]

Their absolutely will be a European Constitution but as I've said before this has already been predicted. "the rise of the new roman empire"

[David S]

Anyone have a link to the most current document?

[opebo]

Their absolutely will be a European Constitution but as I've said before this has already been predicted. "the rise of the new roman empire"

Hah hah, is this more biblical end times nonsense?

Anyway, Europe is great, and I wish the Roman Empire would come back - they knew what they were doing with those lions.  But I have no idea if the new constitution really forms a State or not.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Anyone have a link to the most current document?

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2004:310:SOM:EN:HTML

[David S]

Anyone have a link to the most current document?

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2004:310:SOM:EN:HTML

Thank you.

[Tory]

I think we were better off with the EEC. I will be voting "NO" on the constitution.

[David S]

This document is over 460 pages long. How many of you have read the whole thing? By comparison the US constitution, including the Declaration of Independence and all 27 amendments fits in a 58 page booklet that you can easily carry in a shirt pocket.

Are you guys sure you know what you're getting?

[David S]

This article may answer the question of whether the E.U. is already a European super state. Regardless of how you feel about swastika's the E.U. apparently feels it has the authority to ban them in all of its member nations. Sounds like a super state to me.

 
EU May Ban Nazi Symbols Over Harry's Gaffe
Monday, January 17, 2005 1:53 PM EST
The Associated Press
By CONSTANT BRAND

The European Union may consider banning Nazi symbols in its 25 member nations after Britain's Prince Harry wore a swastika armband to a costume party, the bloc's top justice official said Monday.

[Tory]

The European Union may consider banning Nazi symbols in its 25 member nations after Britain's Prince Harry wore a swastika armband to a costume party, the bloc's top justice official said Monday.

They are banning Nazi symbols by acting like Nazis. How ironic.

[Jens]

This document is over 460 pages long. How many of you have read the whole thing? By comparison the US constitution, including the Declaration of Independence and all 27 amendments fits in a 58 page booklet that you can easily carry in a shirt pocket.

Are you guys sure you know what you're getting?

The actual constitution is page 1 to 185, the rest is just legal stuff like canceling the older treaties and stating who is part of the union (and 10 pages with signatures)

I personally think that this constitution has lots of fasinating aspects. Especially the Charter (part II) is for me a creation that will ensure the rights of the citizens of the union in a way never seen before - including equality between man and woman

To quote Article 1-2
The Union's Values
The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rules of law and respect for human rights, including the right of persons belonging to minorities. These values are common to the Member States in a society in which pluralism, non-distrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between woman and men prevail.

But a superstate, it is not! Most power is still decentralised, especially the juridical powers and the Union will still only be able to act if its memberstates act in unison as well

[Gustaf]

A blue-print might be taking things a little too far...but it certainly establishes the EU as a body indepent of the member states, which is basically the important thing.

It also already has authority over some things the federal American government didn't have in the late 18th century.

I would vote no, if I was allowed. But my government won't dare to.

[TexasPatriot2024]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

[Silent Hunter]

The question for the referendum has been revealed:

"Should the United Kingdom approve the treaty establishing a constitution for the European Union?"

[Jens]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

[Bono]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

Au contraire, national chauvinism is the the only thing protecting us from becomign total slaves to that corrupt bureocracy.

[Jens]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

Au contraire, national chauvinism is the the only thing protecting us from becomign total slaves to that corrupt bureocracy.

I disgree, not very suprisingly. effecient coorporation is offen stalled by misunderstood national pride, like Denmark still supporting aid to farmers because nobody aparantly has discovered that our state budget doesn't collaps if the bacon export fails. The Spanish fight against fishing quotas is the same kind of issue

[freek]

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

We are too. :-). But it is not a binding referendum, it is only an advice to parliament. I do like the new constitution, it will make the EU slightly more efficient.

[Bono]

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

We are too. :-). But it is not a binding referendum, it is only an advice to parliament. I do like the new constitution, it will make the EU slightly more efficient.

If it's already badm I imagine what wil happen when it's more efficient.

[David S]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

Au contraire, national chauvinism is the the only thing protecting us from becomign total slaves to that corrupt bureocracy.

Red avitar = change in philosophy or change of scenery?

[Bono]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

Au contraire, national chauvinism is the the only thing protecting us from becomign total slaves to that corrupt bureocracy.

Red avitar = change in philosophy or change of scenery?

Notice the last image of my sig.