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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 03:37:48 pm »
With the TX primary out, tell me how I should vote.
Current ballot preference - Write - in Herman Cain.
TX Ballot:
Ron Paul
Newt Gingrich
John Davis
Rick Santorum
Charles 'Buddy' Roemer
Jon Huntsman
Mitt Romney
Michele Bachmann
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GM Griffin
Adam Griffin
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Posts: 2757
Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -6.78
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:07:32 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 03:37:48 pm
With the TX primary out, tell me how I should vote.
Current ballot preference - Write - in Herman Cain.
TX Ballot:
Ron Paul
Newt Gingrich
John Davis
Rick Santorum
Charles 'Buddy' Roemer
Jon Huntsman
Mitt Romney
Michele Bachmann
Based solely off of PM score, you should take a look at Buddy Roemer. He's very strong on anti-corruption and rides in the middle of the social spectrum. Much more reasonable than Herman Cain. Not my candidate, though.
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Quote from: opebo on July 10, 2005, 11:31:22 pm
Quote from: Adam Griffin on July 10, 2005, 10:08:52 pm
*wonders what opebo will say*
Oh, Five I guess. I'd say 'I don't like dancing, but I'll take a blow job'.
IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:13:48 pm »
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Based solely off of PM score, you should take a look at Buddy Roemer. He's very strong on anti-corruption and rides in the middle of the social spectrum. Much more reasonable than Herman Cain. Not my candidate, though
His vetoes on abortion regulations make him unacceptable to me.
Current preferences:
Cain
Santorum
Bachmann
Perry
Gingrich
Davis
Roemer
Huntsman
Romney
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Progressive Realist
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:18:04 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 05:13:48 pm
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Based solely off of PM score, you should take a look at Buddy Roemer. He's very strong on anti-corruption and rides in the middle of the social spectrum. Much more reasonable than Herman Cain. Not my candidate, though
His vetoes on abortion regulations make him unacceptable to me.
Why is that so important to
you?
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 05:24:49 pm »
Because I'm a practicing Catholic.
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Progressive Realist
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April 10, 2012, 05:32:28 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 05:24:49 pm
Because I'm a practicing Catholic.
You're also male. Why should you (or any man) get to decide on this issue?
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 05:35:03 pm »
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You're also male. Why should you (or any man) get to decide on this issue?
Women get themselves knocked up? Is that even possible?
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GM Griffin
Adam Griffin
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E: -7.35, S: -6.78
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:42:54 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 05:13:48 pm
His vetoes on abortion regulations make him unacceptable to me.
I'm curious as to how your social score is essentially dead-center. What left or left-leaning social positions do you have? I've never seen one posted.
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An Atlas of Latinos? I'd hate to see Snowstalker Forums.
Quote from: opebo on July 10, 2005, 11:31:22 pm
Quote from: Adam Griffin on July 10, 2005, 10:08:52 pm
*wonders what opebo will say*
Oh, Five I guess. I'd say 'I don't like dancing, but I'll take a blow job'.
ModerateCoward
seatown
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E: -7.74, S: -7.30
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:45:34 pm »
Based on his posts, his score should be like 6/8 not 6/0.
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20RP12
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:48:58 pm »
I don't need to sell you on Ron Paul. If you like what he stands for, wonderful. If you don't, also great.
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America First
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Posts: 85
Political Matrix
E: 3.29, S: -6.35
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:55:52 pm »
Quote from: A.W.G.N. on April 10, 2012, 05:42:54 pm
I'm curious as to how your social score is essentially dead-center. What left or left-leaning social positions do you have? I've never seen one posted.
I'm pro-life and anti-immigration and I'm -7. One or two questions don't effect the outcome very much apparently.
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I have no problem with a two party system. I'm just waiting for the second party.
Proud isolationist!
I prefer the United States of America, not United People's Republic of the World.
IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 05:57:54 pm »
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I'm curious as to how your social score is essentially dead-center. What left or left-leaning social positions do you have? I've never seen one posted.
I usually score anywhere from -.5 to -2 depending on the time of day.
Political compass is a terrible test.
"Always support my country right or wrong." Strongly disagree.
"No one chooses his country of birth" Disagree
"Our race has many superior qualities" Strongly disagree
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Disagree
"Military interaction that defies international law is sometimes justified" Strongly disagree
"Worrying fusion of information and entertainment" Disagree
See where this is going? I'm already -5 on the first page.
Abortion should always be illegal (strong agree)
All authority should be questioned (agree)
Eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth (strong disagree)
School classroom attendence compulsory (disagree)
same kind (strong disagree)
spanking (agree)
secrets from parents (agree)
children discipline (agree)
marijuana possession (strong disagree)
finding jobs (disagree)
disability reproduction (strong disagree)
savage civilizations (strong disagree)
troubled (strong disagree)
first gen immigrants (disagree)
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wormyguy
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E: 7.61, S: -7.65
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:59:23 pm »
You're using the wrong test. We use
http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/POLMTX/
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America First
Jr. Member
Posts: 85
Political Matrix
E: 3.29, S: -6.35
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 05:59:35 pm »
I'm wondering, what exactly are your issues with Paul? It would seem you match up best with him.
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I have no problem with a two party system. I'm just waiting for the second party.
Proud isolationist!
I prefer the United States of America, not United People's Republic of the World.
JulioMadrid
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Political Matrix
E: -8.13, S: -7.13
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:02:06 pm »
Please, don't waste your vote. Vote Roemer!
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My evolution:
E: -6.06 -> -6.97 -> -6.97 -> -8.13
S: -6.78 -> -6.09 -> -7.30 -> -7.13
IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:04:24 pm »
1. individual autonomy vs collective security - usually agree (not critical)
2. government should punish outsourcing - usually disagree (not critical)
3. faith based organizations - agree
4. we should increase foreign aid - disagree
5. we should increase funding for education - usually disagree
6. heterosexual marriage - agree (x) this is a crucial issue for me
7. free trade hurts more than helps - disagree
8. we should reduce the number of government programs substantially - agree (x) this is a crucial issue
9. abortion should be illegal or heavily restricted - agree (x)
10. museums - disagree.
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 06:07:45 pm »
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I'm wondering, what exactly are your issues with Paul? It would seem you match up best with him.
Strongly disagree with his drug policy, and I believe the military should not be cut before unconstitutional domestic agencies are cut, and I strongly disagree with his policies on marriage.
Fiscally though, Paul and I have quite a few similarities. He's closer than Santorum, fwiw.
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America First
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Posts: 85
Political Matrix
E: 3.29, S: -6.35
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:11:47 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 06:07:45 pm
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I'm wondering, what exactly are your issues with Paul? It would seem you match up best with him.
Strongly disagree with his drug policy, and I believe the military should not be cut before unconstitutional domestic agencies are cut, and I strongly disagree with his policies on marriage.
Fiscally though, Paul and I have quite a few similarities. He's closer than Santorum, fwiw.
Have you studied the effect of drug decriminalization on drug use in the Netherlands and Portugal? Not only has our Drug Prohibition failed, but the empirical evidence shows that decriminalizing drugs leads to less drug use, as well as (obviously) less crime.
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I have no problem with a two party system. I'm just waiting for the second party.
Proud isolationist!
I prefer the United States of America, not United People's Republic of the World.
IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:14:56 pm »
What's throwing the test off is that I'm strongly libertarian on certain questions.
Government regulation of radio and television - strong disagree. That should be the obligation of individual parents, not the government.
Violating individual rights to fight terrorism - strong disagree. I don't believe the Patriot act is a violation of individual rights.
Death Penalty, Strong disagree, and I support reducing the difficulty of legal immigration (but not amnesty).
So I can oppose abortion, gay marriage, dope and support faith based institutions and still score as a libertarian.
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 06:17:56 pm »
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Have you studied the effect of drug decriminalization on drug use in the Netherlands and Portugal? Not only has our Drug Prohibition failed, but the empirical evidence shows that decriminalizing drugs leads to less drug use, as well as (obviously) less crime.
Yes, I have, and that fails to take into account demographic effects lowering the proportion of young men in both the Netherlands and Portugal. Yes, the crime rate is down, but other jurisdictions without this policy in the west have also seen across the board reductions in the overall crime rate as a ratio of the population.
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TJ in Wisco
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:33:20 pm »
You should support Mitt Romney so we can try to put the Republican Party back together and give ourselves the best chance of defeating President Obama in November. You make a big deal out of needing a pro-life president and while Mitt Romney has not been consistently pro-life in his career he has at least been inconsistent. Like it or not, on your ballot come November the race will be between Barack Obama (D) and Willard "Mitt" Romney (R) for President of the United States. If you want to really change the abortion laws in this country, the first requirement is getting a Supreme Court that will overturn
Roe v. Wade
. In order to do that you first need a president willing to appoint them and a vacancy. 2016 is probably too late and Justices Ginsburg and Kennedy could have retired by then. What do you think the chances President Obama appoints a pro-life justice are? Like zero. Who knows what President Romney would do but you can't get worse odds than zero.
Absent Santorum from the race, the primary is over and voting for other candidates will only embolden the left to the fissures within the Republican Party and help to ensure President Obama is re-elected. It's time to throw everything we can behind Mitt Romney and hope for the best.
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 06:43:29 pm »
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You make a big deal out of needing a pro-life president and while Mitt Romney has not been consistently pro-life in his career he has at least been inconsistent.
Quite false. Mitt Romney's actions have been entirely consistant. His words have not. He's willing to say whatever he believes will get him elected.
As for his nominees, he has a 6 to 1 ratio of nominating liberals over conservatives.
Romney losing will benefit conservatives because we'll be rid of the Mittbot.
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TJ in Wisco
TJ in Cleve
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Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:44:24 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 06:43:29 pm
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You make a big deal out of needing a pro-life president and while Mitt Romney has not been consistently pro-life in his career he has at least been inconsistent.
Quite false. Mitt Romney's actions have been entirely consistant. His words have not. He's willing to say whatever he believes will get him elected.
As for his nominees, he has a 6 to 1 ratio of nominating liberals over conservatives.
Romney losing will benefit conservatives because we'll be rid of the Mittbot.
...and guarantee legal abortion for the next 20-30 years.
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IDS Speaker Ben Kenobi
Ben Kenobi
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April 10, 2012, 06:48:26 pm »
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and guarantee legal abortion for the next 20-30 years.
If the choice is enemy fire or friendly fire, I chose enemy fire.
If Mitt thinks we're going to come over and support him after he's been shooting at us, he's got another think coming. At least I can toss grenades at Obama without hitting our own team.
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America First
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E: 3.29, S: -6.35
Re: Sell me on your candidate.
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April 10, 2012, 06:49:51 pm »
Quote from: Ben Kenobi on April 10, 2012, 06:17:56 pm
Yes, I have, and that fails to take into account demographic effects lowering the proportion of young men in both the Netherlands and Portugal. Yes, the crime rate is down, but other jurisdictions without this policy in the west have also seen across the board reductions in the overall crime rate as a ratio of the population.
What then is your argument for drug prohibition? I just don't see any advantages of the policy.
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I have no problem with a two party system. I'm just waiting for the second party.
Proud isolationist!
I prefer the United States of America, not United People's Republic of the World.
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