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« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2012, 07:58:16 pm »
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Well then what's left that's decent? Democratic Convention? Modern Left? Radical Party of the Left? Radical Party? Something else entirely?
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« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2012, 08:22:18 pm »
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Australia: Liberal
New Zealand: ACT or National
Canada: Liberal
UK: Liberal Democrat
Northern Ireland: Alliance
USA: Libertarian or Democrat
France: New Centre or MoDem
Germany: FDP
Ireland: Fianna Fáil
Spain: UPyD
Israel: Kadima (possibly Independence)
Poland: Palikot's Movement
South Africa: DA
Italy: Italy of Values or Northern League
Greece: New Democracy
Brazil: Democrats
Mexico: New Alliance Party
Denmark: Liberal Alliance or Danish Social Liberal Party
Russia: Yabloko, Right Cause, or Republican Party of Russia
Switzerland: FDP
Austria: Hans-Peter Martin's List
Sweden: Liberal People's Party or Pirate Party
Estonia: Estonian Reform Party
Netherlands: D66
Finland: National Coalition
Taiwan: Pan-Green Coalition
Serbia: Liberal Democratic Party
South Korea: Democratic United Party
Japan: Your Party
Argentina: Republican Proposal
Portugal: Hope For Portugal Movement
Norway: Liberal Party
India: Nationalist Congress Party
Belgium: Reformist Movement (Wallonian), Open Flemish Liberals And Democrats (Flemish)
Scotland: Scottish Liberal Democrats
Wales: Welsh Liberal Democrats
Ukraine: Reforms and Order Party
Quebec: Quebec Liberal Party or CAQ
Chile: National Renewal
Croatia: Croatian People's Party- Liberal Democrats
Hungary: Politics Can Be Different
Czech Republic: TOP 09 or Public Affairs
Turkey: Republican People's Party
Thailand: Democrat Party
Zimbabwe: Patriotic Union of MaNdebeleland
Burma: National Democratic Force
Singapore: Singapore People's Party
Iran: National Front
Iraq: Iraqi National Accord
Bahrain: National Democratic Action Society
Cyprus/Northern Cyprus: Democratic Rally/Freedom and Reform Party
Egypt: Free Egyptians Party
Jordan: Jordanian Arab Party
Kuwait: National Democratic Alliance
Lebanon: Future Movement
Yemen: Nasserite Unionist People's Organisation
Palestine: Palestinian Democratic Union
Armenia: Heritage
Azerbaijan: Modern Equality Party
Georgia: Georgia's Way or Republicans
Afghanistan: Republican Party of Afghanistan
Pakistan: Muttahida Quami Movement
Kazakhstan: Ak Zhol
Kyrgyzstan: Social Democratic Party of Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan: Democratic Party
Turkmenistan: Republican Party of Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan: Liberal Democratic Party
Algeria: Rally for Culture and Democracy
Libya: National Front Party
Morocco: Popular Movement
Tunisia: Republican Party

No, you wouldn't. They really don't belong to that list.
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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2012, 08:37:28 pm »
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US: When there's no one from the Green Party or the Socialist Party on the ballot, I'd leave it blank.  Otherwise, I'd vote for any smaller, more left-wing party.
UK: Labour after Miliband was elected, but with Ed Balls' "no guarantee of any cut being reversed" and his endorsement of the wage freeze on public sector workers, I'd now be a Green Party supporter.  SNP if I were in Scotland.  Plaid in Wales.  
Canada: NDP all the way (but provincially, in Nova Scotia, I'm pretty mad at their education cuts, do I might go to the Green party there)
France: PS
Germany: Pre-Agenda 2010, the SPD, or maybe the Greens occasionally.  In 2005-2009, either the Greens or the Left.  Now, I suppose if the SPD's leading candidate were on the party's left-wing, I'd vote SPD.  Otherwise, Greens.  If I lived in the West, maybe the Left as well.
Italy: PD or SEL.  Normally the latter.  
Ireland: Labour Pre-2011.  Not sure now.  Can't vote for Sinn Fein so long as it's led by Gerry Adams in the South and Martin McGuinness in the North.  If they dumped both of them and replaced Adams with Mary Lou McDonald, I'd probably be a Sinn Fein supporter now.  
Mexico: PRD, even though I hate AMLO.  
Brazil: PT, but I'm mad as hell at Rousseff atm for environmental/labor/ indigenous sympathy reasons, so I'd now be with the Greens.  
Argentina: PS
Australia: Greens ever since the Hawke/Keating governments would have turned me away from the ALP, though they'd keep my 2PP vote.  And so long as Gillard opposes gay marriage and cuts welfare, the Greens would retain my First preference votes.  
New Zealand: Now that Shearer's the Labour leader, the Greens.
Russia: A Fair Russia
Greece: PASOK Pre-2009, SYRIZA/DIMAR swinger both times in 2012, now SYRIZA.  
Israel: Meretz.  
Spain: United Left, PSOE before the austerity.  
Portugal: Left Bloc, PS before the austerity
Norway: Labour Party, maybe Socialist Left Party
Sweden: Social Democrats
Denmark: Socialist People's Party, with Thorning-Schmidt as SD leader.  
Finland: Social Democrats or Left Alliance, since even the Green League seems to enjoy immigrant-bashing nationalism.  
South Korea: Democratic United Party, maybe Unified Progressive Party.
Japan: Social Democratic Party.  
India: Fourth Front, since the Congress is a bunch of useless corrupt bastards. 

I think more of PSOL for you, given your turn on left parties when the center left becomes too rightist. Actually, being PSOL much more to the left than their european counterparts, maybe you'd stand with the workers' party but very suspicious - this is the actual situation for many people here. The Greens are a farce. And Marina Silva's main economic advisor was a radical neoclassical/neoliberal/promarket hack.
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« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2012, 08:41:08 pm »
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Australia: Liberal
New Zealand: ACT or National
Canada: Liberal
UK: Liberal Democrat
Northern Ireland: Alliance
USA: Libertarian or Democrat
France: New Centre or MoDem
Germany: FDP
Ireland: Fianna Fáil
Spain: UPyD
Israel: Kadima (possibly Independence)
Poland: Palikot's Movement
South Africa: DA
Italy: Italy of Values or Northern League
Greece: New Democracy
Brazil: Democrats
Mexico: New Alliance Party
Denmark: Liberal Alliance or Danish Social Liberal Party
Russia: Yabloko, Right Cause, or Republican Party of Russia
Switzerland: FDP
Austria: Hans-Peter Martin's List
Sweden: Liberal People's Party or Pirate Party
Estonia: Estonian Reform Party
Netherlands: D66
Finland: National Coalition
Taiwan: Pan-Green Coalition
Serbia: Liberal Democratic Party
South Korea: Democratic United Party
Japan: Your Party
Argentina: Republican Proposal
Portugal: Hope For Portugal Movement
Norway: Liberal Party
India: Nationalist Congress Party
Belgium: Reformist Movement (Wallonian), Open Flemish Liberals And Democrats (Flemish)
Scotland: Scottish Liberal Democrats
Wales: Welsh Liberal Democrats
Ukraine: Reforms and Order Party
Quebec: Quebec Liberal Party or CAQ
Chile: National Renewal
Croatia: Croatian People's Party- Liberal Democrats
Hungary: Politics Can Be Different
Czech Republic: TOP 09 or Public Affairs
Turkey: Republican People's Party
Thailand: Democrat Party
Zimbabwe: Patriotic Union of MaNdebeleland
Burma: National Democratic Force
Singapore: Singapore People's Party
Iran: National Front
Iraq: Iraqi National Accord
Bahrain: National Democratic Action Society
Cyprus/Northern Cyprus: Democratic Rally/Freedom and Reform Party
Egypt: Free Egyptians Party
Jordan: Jordanian Arab Party
Kuwait: National Democratic Alliance
Lebanon: Future Movement
Yemen: Nasserite Unionist People's Organisation
Palestine: Palestinian Democratic Union
Armenia: Heritage
Azerbaijan: Modern Equality Party
Georgia: Georgia's Way or Republicans
Afghanistan: Republican Party of Afghanistan
Pakistan: Muttahida Quami Movement
Kazakhstan: Ak Zhol
Kyrgyzstan: Social Democratic Party of Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan: Democratic Party
Turkmenistan: Republican Party of Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan: Liberal Democratic Party
Algeria: Rally for Culture and Democracy
Libya: National Front Party
Morocco: Popular Movement
Tunisia: Republican Party

No, you wouldn't. They really don't belong to that list.

What else is there then? PMDB I guess? Or the Social Liberal Party?
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« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2012, 07:28:11 am »
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Australia: Liberal
New Zealand: ACT or National
Canada: Liberal
UK: Liberal Democrat
Northern Ireland: Alliance
USA: Libertarian or Democrat
France: New Centre or MoDem
Germany: FDP
Ireland: Fianna Fáil
Spain: UPyD
Israel: Kadima (possibly Independence)
Poland: Palikot's Movement
South Africa: DA
Italy: Italy of Values or Northern League
Greece: New Democracy
Brazil: Democrats
Mexico: New Alliance Party
Denmark: Liberal Alliance or Danish Social Liberal Party
Russia: Yabloko, Right Cause, or Republican Party of Russia
Switzerland: FDP
Austria: Hans-Peter Martin's List
Sweden: Liberal People's Party or Pirate Party
Estonia: Estonian Reform Party
Netherlands: D66
Finland: National Coalition
Taiwan: Pan-Green Coalition
Serbia: Liberal Democratic Party
South Korea: Democratic United Party
Japan: Your Party
Argentina: Republican Proposal
Portugal: Hope For Portugal Movement
Norway: Liberal Party
India: Nationalist Congress Party
Belgium: Reformist Movement (Wallonian), Open Flemish Liberals And Democrats (Flemish)
Scotland: Scottish Liberal Democrats
Wales: Welsh Liberal Democrats
Ukraine: Reforms and Order Party
Quebec: Quebec Liberal Party or CAQ
Chile: National Renewal
Croatia: Croatian People's Party- Liberal Democrats
Hungary: Politics Can Be Different
Czech Republic: TOP 09 or Public Affairs
Turkey: Republican People's Party
Thailand: Democrat Party
Zimbabwe: Patriotic Union of MaNdebeleland
Burma: National Democratic Force
Singapore: Singapore People's Party
Iran: National Front
Iraq: Iraqi National Accord
Bahrain: National Democratic Action Society
Cyprus/Northern Cyprus: Democratic Rally/Freedom and Reform Party
Egypt: Free Egyptians Party
Jordan: Jordanian Arab Party
Kuwait: National Democratic Alliance
Lebanon: Future Movement
Yemen: Nasserite Unionist People's Organisation
Palestine: Palestinian Democratic Union
Armenia: Heritage
Azerbaijan: Modern Equality Party
Georgia: Georgia's Way or Republicans
Afghanistan: Republican Party of Afghanistan
Pakistan: Muttahida Quami Movement
Kazakhstan: Ak Zhol
Kyrgyzstan: Social Democratic Party of Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan: Democratic Party
Turkmenistan: Republican Party of Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan: Liberal Democratic Party
Algeria: Rally for Culture and Democracy
Libya: National Front Party
Morocco: Popular Movement
Tunisia: Republican Party

No, you wouldn't. They really don't belong to that list.

What else is there then? PMDB I guess? Or the Social Liberal Party?

Green Party, if we have to stood for one.

The social-liberal party is a non-issue. You'd propably vote 'for the candidate, not for the party'. Maybe you'd have a fondness to older PSB (even them being too much to the left of your economic PM, they were the natural choice for moderate social-libertarians, until the early 2000's)and 'historical' PMDB politicians. Would be a Lula's supporter in 2002, only to start hating him around 2004/2005 and vote nationally for PSDB (but PV in 2010's first round). Now clearly on PV. Despite them being a farse in my opinion, I think They're a very fair choice for a centrist-libertarian, specially if they keep the path they're going. My problem with them is they're not really greens outside political marketing.
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« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2012, 08:41:20 am »
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Well then what's left that's decent? Democratic Convention? Modern Left? Radical Party of the Left? Radical Party? Something else entirely?

If the NC isn't a political party, then the CD and GM sure as hell aren't close to be political parties. The CD is a totally unknown one-man entity (unfortunately for them, that one man, Hervé de Charette, got defeated in June in a constituency which the right had no business losing ever). It never made a mark on anything, and I doubt anybody besides people like me even knew it existed to begin with.

The GM at least had a membership higher than one, but you wouldn't think that considering that it too is/was (nobody has heard from the party in recent months) a one-man entity led by Jean-Marie Bockel (the former leader of the most right-wing faction of the PS, and one of those lefties who became a Sarkozyst). Its relevance dwindled after Bockel got kicked out of the government, and nobody outside Mulhouse (even there...) gives a sh**t about him (assuming they've even heard of him). It those have 2 MEPs (which nobody knows) and I think the only one remotely "well-known" (for a guy like me, who lives and breathes with this sh**t) guy in the party is that guy who has lost every election in Guadeloupe since 2008 (Daniel Marsin).

The PRG is a decent party - after all, for some reason, I voted for it in June (well, the main reason being that the candidate was hot and her suppléant had the most epic mustache ever, but I digress). I personally like its platform (European federalism, social liberalism, pragmatic-reformist centre-leftism, laicisme), but in reality that doesn't really matter because, since its foundation in the 1970s, it has been to the PS what the NC has been to the UMP (with a few, notable, exceptions which make it more relevant and more of a political party).

It is the best known example of a useless 'party' whose survival is entirely dependent on the PS and its generosity (some Green guy recently said that if EELV kept going down its current track, it would become "like the PRG", and the PRG promptly threw a fit, stung by the truth). As a fairly loyal and reliable partner of the PS, it usually gets a good deal out of them - it has a few cabinet ministers now, it got its own group in the Assembly back in June (but make no mistake: I doubt it would have over 3-4 seats if the PS ran candidates against the PRG). Besides that, it is totally irrelevant and while it isn't quite Jean-Michel Baylet's (a newspaper owner who is the PRG's leader, senator, local baron) own little toy, it doesn't have any impact on national politics.

The PRV is a political party (but that's fairly recent), but then again, despite Borloo being the official boss of the party and holding high ambitions for it (but he's too crappy and lazy of a politician to follow through on it), in practice it is actually very divided considering only 5 of the dozen or so PRV deputies actually followed Borloo's lead in forming the UDI group in the Assembly. You still have a good number of Radicals who continue to operate as UMP in all but name and they're quite open about it. From my POV, Borloo's platform is quite good: some sort of centre-right/centrist social liberalism/green liberalism, but I hold little fantasies about it - he's not going to go places.

In terms of parties which might actually fit you, France is a nightmare for American libertarian types, given that such an ideology has basically no echo whatsoever in France. You certainly have two openly libertarian/classical liberal parties (whose main platform points are smaller government, less regulation, lower taxes mixed with social liberalism), Alternative libérale and the Parti libéral démocrate (the PLD is a splinter of the AL, given that AL was originally run in a very authortiarian fashion - funny how that works out) and both run a few candidates in elections who struggle to get over 1% (PLD ran 23 candidates in June, AL apparently ran none, I've read that they're recently associated with the NC). In the past, in the late 1990s, Nicolas Miguet's RCF was basically a Paultard movement and I think the Paultards might have tolerated Alain Madelin's DL even if his foreign policy was a world away from Paul.
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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2012, 10:10:29 am »
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UK: Liberal Democrat

A... bold choice, if I may say so.
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« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2012, 12:34:04 pm »
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UK: Liberal Democrat

A... bold choice, if I may say so.

Well, what else am I supposed to pick? Running down the list:

Conservatives: Kinda socially conservative, support war in Afghanistan, raised tuition fees, want to continue to maintain current nuclear deterrent, some support death penalty. No.
Labour: Democratic socialists, and Blue Labour seems like it's making them worse. No.
British National Party: HPs and fascists. No.
Respect: Socialists. No.
Green Party: Not a green, not an ecosocialist. No.
UKIP: Pro-voucher, expand the military, opposes same-sex marriage. No.
Liberal Democrats: Anti-ID cards, want to review nuclear deterrent, increase school funding, cut size of Department of Health, educate/train prisoners, regulate CCTV, end DNA collection, treat rather than imprison drug addicts, inquiry into torture, no selling chemicals for use in the death penalty, and wants to reform the House of Lords (which seems to me to be a silly thing that could really be replaced by something like a Constitution/Supreme Court). Yes.
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« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2012, 11:59:28 am »
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Indeed, the Lib Dems are now the best fit for an American libertarian (who aren't social-conservative, war-mongering hypocrites like most Tories and UKIPpers).
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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2012, 02:22:12 pm »
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US: When there's no one from the Green Party or the Socialist Party on the ballot, I'd leave it blank.  Otherwise, I'd vote for any smaller, more left-wing party.
UK: Labour after Miliband was elected, but with Ed Balls' "no guarantee of any cut being reversed" and his endorsement of the wage freeze on public sector workers, I'd now be a Green Party supporter.  SNP if I were in Scotland.  Plaid in Wales.  
Canada: NDP all the way (but provincially, in Nova Scotia, I'm pretty mad at their education cuts, do I might go to the Green party there)
France: PS
Germany: Pre-Agenda 2010, the SPD, or maybe the Greens occasionally.  In 2005-2009, either the Greens or the Left.  Now, I suppose if the SPD's leading candidate were on the party's left-wing, I'd vote SPD.  Otherwise, Greens.  If I lived in the West, maybe the Left as well.
Italy: PD or SEL.  Normally the latter.  
Ireland: Labour Pre-2011.  Not sure now.  Can't vote for Sinn Fein so long as it's led by Gerry Adams in the South and Martin McGuinness in the North.  If they dumped both of them and replaced Adams with Mary Lou McDonald, I'd probably be a Sinn Fein supporter now.  
Mexico: PRD, even though I hate AMLO.  
Brazil: PT, but I'm mad as hell at Rousseff atm for environmental/labor/ indigenous sympathy reasons, so I'd now be with the Greens.  
Argentina: PS
Australia: Greens ever since the Hawke/Keating governments would have turned me away from the ALP, though they'd keep my 2PP vote.  And so long as Gillard opposes gay marriage and cuts welfare, the Greens would retain my First preference votes.  
New Zealand: Now that Shearer's the Labour leader, the Greens.
Russia: A Fair Russia
Greece: PASOK Pre-2009, SYRIZA/DIMAR swinger both times in 2012, now SYRIZA.  
Israel: Meretz.  
Spain: United Left, PSOE before the austerity.  
Portugal: Left Bloc, PS before the austerity
Norway: Labour Party, maybe Socialist Left Party
Sweden: Social Democrats
Denmark: Socialist People's Party, with Thorning-Schmidt as SD leader.  
Finland: Social Democrats or Left Alliance, since even the Green League seems to enjoy immigrant-bashing nationalism.  
South Korea: Democratic United Party, maybe Unified Progressive Party.
Japan: Social Democratic Party.  
India: Fourth Front, since the Congress is a bunch of useless corrupt bastards.  

I think more of PSOL for you, given your turn on left parties when the center left becomes too rightist. Actually, being PSOL much more to the left than their european counterparts, maybe you'd stand with the workers' party but very suspicious - this is the actual situation for many people here. The Greens are a farce. And Marina Silva's main economic advisor was a radical neoclassical/neoliberal/promarket hack.
I didn't know that.  With that information, I guess I'd be on the PSOL's right-wing, since it has many Trotskyites within it, doesn't it?  I guess maybe I'd be a PT supporter who'd be anxious to get Dilma out.  I'm a bit amazed that the PT is still putting up with what she's doing without any revolt.  If anyone were to challenge her from the left, I'd jump to support them within a heartbeat, but as you've pointed out in another thread, Lula's the only one that could (just the idea of that turns me off to the PT, if they're that unquestioning in their support of her).  
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« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2012, 12:58:09 pm »
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Indeed, the Lib Dems are now the best fit for an American libertarian (who aren't social-conservative, war-mongering hypocrites like most Tories and UKIPpers).

From what I hear, the Lib Dems are basically a joke, protest party like the Democratic Alliance, who promise all sorts of wonderful things, but will never, or could never deliver them.
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« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2012, 02:14:51 pm »
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Indeed, the Lib Dems are now the best fit for an American libertarian (who aren't social-conservative, war-mongering hypocrites like most Tories and UKIPpers).

From what I hear, the Lib Dems are basically a joke, protest party like the Democratic Alliance, who promise all sorts of wonderful things, but will never, or could never deliver them.

They're an awkward alliance between social liberals and market liberals, compromising, but largely depending on what faction's leading to define what you'd be getting (much like all parties, really). For the first half of the noughties it was led by standard social liberals, however it's been the market liberals turn and they've alienated all but the Rightists, so it's looking like a British FDP for the foreseeable future.

Their ideology was always one of centrism, so the only reason their policies were undeliverable were because a) the voting system never looked likely to deliver them enough seats to govern and b) their leadership are absolutely woeful at negotiating, to the point most people are rightly suspicious - because the neoliberals are leading the party - that they were all too comfortable with a Tory government to bother trying to mitigate it.
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« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2012, 03:18:27 pm »
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And some more:
Poland: SLD, could also see myself
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Hungary: Socialist Party.  Would have been for "Politics can be Different" or the Greens until Gyurcsany left the MSZP.  
Czech Republic: CSSD.  
Romania: PSD.  Bleh.  
Bulgaria: Ugh.  BSP.
Slovakia: 99 Percent-Civic Voice because Fico is an asshole.  
Slovenia: Greens.  
Serbia: Social Democratic Party.  Only one I could ever vote for since the "Socialist" Party is a bunch of pro-Milosevic neo-nazi scum.  
Ukraine: Tymoshenko Bloc
Turkey: Ugh. CHP.  Even though I hate them.  
Palestine: Palestinian National Initiative.  
Lebanon: Progressive Socialist Party
Yemen: Yemeni Socialist Party
Egypt: ESDP.  Maybe Egyptian Socialist Party too.  
Tunisia:  CPR.  Can also see myself voting for Ettakatol.  
Libya: National Front Party
Algeria: Front of Socialist Forces
Morocco: Labour Party
South Africa: Ugh.  Their parties suck.  Would have been for the ANC in 94 and 99, but Mbeki and Zuma have both been incompetent hacks.  The DA is a bunch of neoliberal rich hacks who pretend to be sympathetic to the poor.  COPE is a failure and a joke; just a bunch of Mbeki loyalists.  I guess United Democratic Movement, even though they're hopeless.  
Pakistan: PPP is a bunch of useless, corrupt, and anti-secular hacks.  There is a Green Party there, believe it or not (the ecologist kind, I mean lol), so I guess I'd vote for them.  
Bangladesh: AL I guess.  Ugh.
Venezuela: Wow.  The Radical Cause, I guess.  I like what Chavez has done in terms of the economy, housing, health care, etc., but I hate him so much for his anti-democratic moves that I'd actually be voting for Capriles in the election this year.  
Bolivia: Pachakuti Movement
Ecuador: Pachakutik
Colombia: Alternative Democratic Pole
Peru: Gana Peru
Chile: PS
Quebec: QS.
Iceland: Social Democratic Alliance
Taiwan: DPP
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« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2012, 04:32:17 pm »
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Indeed, the Lib Dems are now the best fit for an American libertarian (who aren't social-conservative, war-mongering hypocrites like most Tories and UKIPpers).

From what I hear, the Lib Dems are basically a joke, protest party like the Democratic Alliance, who promise all sorts of wonderful things, but will never, or could never deliver them.

They're an awkward alliance between social liberals and market liberals, compromising, but largely depending on what faction's leading to define what you'd be getting (much like all parties, really). For the first half of the noughties it was led by standard social liberals, however it's been the market liberals turn and they've alienated all but the Rightists, so it's looking like a British FDP for the foreseeable future.

Their ideology was always one of centrism, so the only reason their policies were undeliverable were because a) the voting system never looked likely to deliver them enough seats to govern and b) their leadership are absolutely woeful at negotiating, to the point most people are rightly suspicious - because the neoliberals are leading the party - that they were all too comfortable with a Tory government to bother trying to mitigate it.

But we're all Liberals. It really is a mistake to call those who are on the centre left economically of the party the 'social liberal' wing because what unites the party is social liberalism. The two wings of the party as such are more economically interventionist and less economically interventionist liberals (a mouthful for sure) but almost all (because there's always a minority) socially liberal.

Indeed, for all the members we have lost on the economic left of the party, there are many who have stayed because first and foremost they are liberals, upset as they might be with the things that have been implemented by the coalition.

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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2012, 04:56:51 pm »
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UK: Liberal Democrat

A... bold choice, if I may say so.

Well, what else am I supposed to pick? Running down the list:

Conservatives: Kinda socially conservative, support war in Afghanistan, raised tuition fees, want to continue to maintain current nuclear deterrent, some support death penalty. No.
Labour: Democratic socialists, and Blue Labour seems like it's making them worse. No.
British National Party: HPs and fascists. No.
Respect: Socialists. No.
Green Party: Not a green, not an ecosocialist. No.
UKIP: Pro-voucher, expand the military, opposes same-sex marriage. No.
Liberal Democrats: Anti-ID cards, want to review nuclear deterrent, increase school funding, cut size of Department of Health, educate/train prisoners, regulate CCTV, end DNA collection, treat rather than imprison drug addicts, inquiry into torture, no selling chemicals for use in the death penalty, and wants to reform the House of Lords (which seems to me to be a silly thing that could really be replaced by something like a Constitution/Supreme Court). Yes.

Nice to see a non British contributor work things through rather than regarding the Lib Dems as sell outs because they're in coalition with the Tories. Labour are in coalition with the Tories on local authorities in this country, does that mean that they're unacceptable to some of you now too?
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« Reply #90 on: August 16, 2012, 07:41:29 pm »
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Yes. Tongue Seriously, I think many regard you as sellouts for your actions within the coalition, rather than merely forming it (although a significant contingent also subscribe to that as well).

It's true that social liberal as a term confuses things, after all both liberals are liberal socially, perhaps I should've said social democrats, but I think I got over my point non-the-less.

I think the first-and-foremost liberals you mention are the back-of-a-taxi minority of yesteryear, but Labour's current authoritarian approach no doubt helps you retain many voters who perhaps are more willing to stomach neoliberalism than give up a socially liberal stance.
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Firstly, I would like to introduce myself to these forums, it is great to have a website dedicated to discussing elections, politics, political processes and what ifs of all three.

Here's my list:
Albania - Republican Party
Andorra - Democrats for Andorra
Argentina: Republican Proposal
Australia: Liberal/National (Coalition for those unfamiliar with Australian politics), sometimes a minor party like Family First, the Christian Democrats, Shooters Party or the LDP, particularly in the Senate. My vote would always go back to the Coalition though.
Austria: BZO or OVP, especially if either took a harder line against the EU.
Belarus: Someone that's right-wing and anti-Lukashenko.
Belgium:
  • Flanders - NVA
  • Wallonia - MR, quite reluctantly though given their leftward shift in recent years.  
Bosnia & Herzegovina:
  • Multi-ethnic: LDS, if I really had to.
  • Croat: Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) of Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Bosniak: Party of Democratic Action
  • Serb: Party of Democratic Progress
Brazil: Progressive or Republic parties
Bulgaria: Blue Coalition
Canada: Blue Tory, Wildrose in Alberta
Chile: Independent Democratic Union
China: Anything that isn't the Communist Party or related to it.
Croatia: HDZ or HGS (Croatian Citizen Party)
Cuba: See China, preferably no leftist parties of any kind though.
Cyprus: Democratic Rally
Czech Republic: Civic Democratic Party, TOP09, possibly Public Affairs
Denmark: Conservative People's Party, I do agree with the Danish People's Party on some issues though, notably the EU and Danish sovereignty.
Estonia: IRL
Finland: National Coalition (reluctantly)
France: UMP (reluctantly)
Germany: Reluctantly for Merkel's coaltion, maybe Citizens in Rage
Greece: Independent Greeks, New Democracy if they weren't best friends with the bureaucrats in Brussels.
Hungary: Fidesz
Iceland: Independence Party
India: National Democratic Alliance
Indonesia: Party with a Pancasila ideology
Ireland: Fianna Fail, if I really had to.
Israel: Likud
Italy: Future and Freedom
Japan: Liberal Democratic Party
Kenya: Right-wing member of the Party of National Unity
Kosovo: Democratic League of Kosovo
Latvia: ZRP, non-ethnonationalist groupings of the National Alliance.
Liberia: Liberty or National Patriotic Parties.
Liechtenstein: Progressive Citizens' Party
Lithuania: Order and Justice or Christian Party.
Luxembourg: Alternative Democratic Reform Party
Macedonia: VMRO–DPMNE
Malaysia: National Front
Malta: Nationalist Party
Mexico: National Action Party
Moldova: PLDM
Monaco: Rally for Monaco - National and Democratic Union
Montenegro: Movement for Changes
Morocco: Istiqlal Party
Netherlands: VVD, do agree with much of the PVV platform, sans their position on Islam.
New Zealand: National or ACT
North Korea: Would most likely be shot on arrival.
Norway: Progress Party
Poland: Law and Justice
Portugal: New Democracy, Social Democratic Party if they put up a decent candidate.
Romania: PD-L, PNL or PC
Russia: United Russia
Serbia: Serbian Progressive Party
Singapore: People's Action Party
Slovakia: Ordinary People and Independent Personalities
Slovenia: Slovenian People's Party
South Africa: No idea, maybe some minor party? Wouldn't have supported apartheid back in the day.
South Korea: Saenuri Party
South Sudan: Sudan People's Liberation Movement
Spain: People's Party
Sweden: Moderates, although quite reluctantly.
Switzerland: FDP or SVP, depending on the party manifesto and candidate at that election.
Thailand: Democrats
Turkey: Justice and Development Party
Ukraine: NUNS
UK: Conservatives until after the last election, UKIP now. Would still vote Tory if they had a decent candidate running. In Northern Ireland, I'd vote for the DUP.
USA: Republican, would vote Constitution or possibly Libertarian (more likely the former) in the 2012 presidential race.
Vietnam: People's Action Party of Vietnam
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United Russia? Uh-oh.
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United Russia? Uh-oh.


I'd vote for them before the other Russian parties, but I am aware of their corruption. Are there any non-corrupt Russian political parties?
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UK: Liberal Democrat

A... bold choice, if I may say so.

Well, what else am I supposed to pick? Running down the list:

Conservatives: Kinda socially conservative, support war in Afghanistan, raised tuition fees, want to continue to maintain current nuclear deterrent, some support death penalty. No.
Labour: Democratic socialists, and Blue Labour seems like it's making them worse. No.
British National Party: HPs and fascists. No.
Respect: Socialists. No.
Green Party: Not a green, not an ecosocialist. No.
UKIP: Pro-voucher, expand the military, opposes same-sex marriage. No.
Liberal Democrats: Anti-ID cards, want to review nuclear deterrent, increase school funding, cut size of Department of Health, educate/train prisoners, regulate CCTV, end DNA collection, treat rather than imprison drug addicts, inquiry into torture, no selling chemicals for use in the death penalty, and wants to reform the House of Lords (which seems to me to be a silly thing that could really be replaced by something like a Constitution/Supreme Court). Yes.

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I'd vote for them before the other Russian parties, but I am aware of their corruption. Are there any non-corrupt Russian political parties?
Try unregistered National Democratic Alliance: http://nazdem.info/texts/259
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USA-Democratic Party
Canada-NDP
UK: Labour
Australia: Labor
France: PS
Germany: SPD
Sweden: SAP
Spain: PSOE
Portugal: PS
Italy: IdV
Poland: SLD
Russia: Yabloko (yes, I know they're useless)
New Zealand: Labour
Brazil: PT
Mexico: PRD
Norway: Ap
Turkey: BDP (I know I'm not a Kurd)
Japan: Democratic
Serbia: DS
India: INC
South Korea: DUP
Belgium: PS (Wallonia), SP.a (Flanders)
Netherlands: PvdA
Hungary: MSDP
Austria: SPÖ
Czech Republic: ČSSD
Argentina: UCR
Venezuela: AD
Egypt: Egyptian Bloc
Greece: They all suck
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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2012, 06:34:19 pm »
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Says the guy who supports Golden Dawn.
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Well, without full knowledge of all the planks on paper, actions in practice, or severity of corruption present in each party I would say my affiliations in various lands would be...  



Algeria: Socialist Forces Front
Angola: Liberal Socialist Party
Azawad: National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad
Benin: Social Democratic Party
Bhutan: Bhutan Peoples’ Party
Botswana: Botswana National Front
Burkina Faso: Congress for Democracy and Progress
Burundi: Party for a Non-Violent Society
Central African Republic: Patriotic Front for Progress
Cameroon: Social Democratic Front
Cape Verde: African Party for the Independence of Cape Verde
Chad: Federation, Action for the Republic
Comoros: Camp of the Autonomous Islands
Democratic Republic of the Congo: Union for Democracy and Social Progress
Republic of the Congo: Pan-African Union for Social Democracy
Côte d'Ivoire: Ivorian Workers’ Party
Djibouti: Independent
Egypt: National Progressive Unionist Party
Equatorial Guinea: Convergence for Social Democracy
Eritrea: Independent
Ethiopia: Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front
Gabon: Independent
The Gambia: People’s Democratic Organization for Independence and Socialism
Ghana: National Democratic Congress
Guinea Guinean People’s Assembly
Guinea-Bissau: Democratic Socialist Party
Kenya: Safina Party
Lesotho: Lesotho Congress for Democracy
Liberia: Liberian People’s Party
Libya: Democratic Party
Madagascar: Independent
Malawi: Independent
Mali: Rally for Mali
Mauritania: Rally of Democratic Forces
Mauritius: Labour Party
Mayotte: Socialist Party
Morocco: Socialist Union of Popular Forces
Mozambique: Liberation Front of Mozambique
Namibia: SWAPO Party of Namibia
Niger: Nigerien Party for Democracy and Socialism
Nigeria: Congress for Progressive Change
Puntland: Independent
Réunion: Europe Ecology
Rwanda: Independent
Sahrawi: Polisario Front
Saint Helena: Indepndent
São Tomé and Príncipe: MLSTP/SDP
Senegal: Socialist Party of Senegal
Seychelles: Seychelles National Party
Sierra Leone: People’s Movement for Democratic Change
Somalia: For Justice and Development
Somaliland: For Justice and Development
South Africa: African National Congress
South Sudan: South Sudan Liberal Party
Sudan: Democratic Liberal Party
Swaziland: People’s United Democratic Movement
Tanzania: Independent
Togo: Democratic Convention of African Peoples
Tunisia: Congress for the Republic
Uganda: Uganda People’s Congress
Zambia: Patriotic Front
Zimbabwe: Movement for Democratic Change



Antigua and Barbuda: United Progressive Party
Argentina: Socialist Party
Aruba: Aruban Socialist Movement
Bahamas: Progressive Liberal Party
Barbados: Independent
Belize: Independent
Bermuda: Independent
Bolivia: Without Fear Movement
Brazil: Democratic Labour Party
Canada: New Democratic Party
Caribbean Netherlands: Independnet
Cayman Islands: People’s Progressive Movement
Chile: Socialist Party of Chile
Colombia: Independent Democratic Pole
Costa Rica: Citizens’ Action Party
Cuba: Democratic Social-Revolutionary Party of Cuba
Curaçao: Independent
Dominica: Dominica Labour Party
Dominican Republic: Independent
Ecuador: PAIS Alliance
El Salvador: Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front
Falklands: Independent
French Guiana: Independent
Greenland: Community of the People
Grenada: Independent
Guadeloupe: Progressive Democratic Party of Guadeloupe
Guatemala: Encounter for Guatemala
Guyana: People’s Progressive Party
Haiti: Fusion of Haitian Social Democrats
Honduras: Democratic Unification Party
Jamaica: People’s National Party
Martinique: Martinican Independence Movement
Mexico: Party of the Democratic Revolution
Montserrat: New People’s Liberation Party
Nicaragua: Sandinista National Liberation Front
Panama: Independent
Paraguay: Party for a Country of Solidarity
Peru: American Popular Revolutionary Alliance
Puerto Rico: Puerto Rica for Puerto Ricans Party
Saint Barthélemy: Independent
Saint Kitts and Nevis: Saint Kitts and Nevis Labour Party
Saint Lucia: Saint Lucia Labour Party
Saint Martin: Independent
Saint Pierre and Miquelon: Independent
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Unity Labour Party
Suriname: Independent
Trinidad and Tobago: Congress of the People
Turks and Caicos Islands: Independent
United States: Democratic Socialists of America
Uruguay: Socialist Party of Uruguay
U.S. Virgin Isles: Independent
Venezuela: Democratic Action
Virgin Isles: Independent



Abkhazia: Independent
Afghanistan: Republican Party of Afhganistan
Albania: Socialist Party of Albania
Andorra: Social Democratic Party
Armenia: Armenian Revolutionary Federation
Austria: Social Democratic Party of Austria
Azerbaijan: Independent
Bahrain: Independent
Bangladesh: Bangladesh Awami League
Belarus: Belarusian Party “The Greens”
Belgium: Independent
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Greens of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria: Bulgarian Left
Cambodia: Cambodian People’s Party
People’s Republic of China: Independent
Croatia: Croatian Labourists - Labour Party
Northern Cyprus: New Cyprus Party
Cyprus: Movement for Social Democracy
Czech Republic: Party of Democratic Socialism
Denmark: Socialist People’s Party
Estonia: Estonian Greens
Faroe Islands: Republic
Finland: Left Alliance
France: Left Party
Georgia: Georgian Labour Party
Germany: The Left
Gibraltar: Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party
Greece: Democratic Left
Guernsey: Independent
Hong Kong: People Power
Hungary: Independent
Iceland: Left-Green Movement
India: Socialist Party
Iran: Organization of Iranian People's Fedaian (Majority)
Iraq: Patriotic Union of Kurdistan
Ireland: Labour Party
Isle of Man: Manx Labour Party
Israel: Balad
Italy: Italian Socialist Party
Japan: Social Democratic Party
Jersey: Jersey Democratic Alliance
Jordan: Jordanian Democratic Popular Unity Party
Kazakhstan: Nationwide Social Democratic Party
North Korea: Independent
South Korea: United Progressive Party
Kosovo: Green Party of Kosovo
Kuwait: Independent
Kyrgyzstan: Fatherland Socialist Party
Laos: Independent
Latvia: Social Democratic Party “Harmony”
Lebanon: Democratic Left Movement
Liechtenstein: Free List
Lithuania: Social Democratic Party of Lithuania
Luxembourg: Luxembourg Socialist Workers’ Party
Macau: New Macau Association
Macedonia: Socialist Party of Macedonia
Malaysia: Socialist Party of Malaysia
Maldives: Independent
Malta: Labour Party
Moldova: Democratic Party of Moldova
Monaco: Independent
Mongolia: Mongolian People’s Party
Montenegro: Democratic Party of Socialists of Montenegro
Myanmar: National League for Democracy
Nagorno-Karabakh: Armenian Revolutionary Federation
Nepal: Nepali Congress
The Netherlands: Green Left
Norway: Socialist Left Party
Oman: Independent
Pakistan: Independent
Palestine: Palestinian National Initiative
Poland: Independent
Portugal: Left Bloc
Qatar: Independent
Romania: Green Party
Russia: A Just Russia
San Marino: Party of Socialists and Democrats
Saudi Arabia: Independent
Serbia: League of Social Democrats of Vojvodina
Singapore: Socialist Front
Slovakia: Green Party
Slovenia: Slovenian Pirate Party
South Ossetia: Independent
Spain: Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party
Sri Lanka: Independent
Sweden: Swedish Social Democratic Party
Switzerland: Social Democratic Party of Switzerland
Syria: Democratic Arab Socialist Union
Taiwan: Democratic Progressive Party
Tajikistan: Social Democratic Party
Thailand: Independent
Transnistria: Social Democratic Party of Pridnestrovie
Turkey: Peace and Democracy Party
Turkmenistan: Independent
Ukraine: Socialist Party of Ukraine
United Arab Emirates: Independent
United Kingdom: Green Party of England and Wales
Uzbekistan: Social Justice Democratic Party
Vatican City: N/A
Vietnam: Vietnam Populist Party
Yemen: Yemeni Socialist Party



American Samoa: Independent
Anguilla: Independent
Australia: Australian Labour Party
Brunei: Independent
Cook Isles: Independent
Federated States of Micronesia: Independent
Fiji: Fiji Labour Party
French Polynesia: Independent
Guam: Independent
Indonesia: Indonesian Democratic Party - Struggle
Kiribati: Independent
Marshal Islands: Independent
New Caledonia: Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front
Northern Mariana Islands: Independent
Nauru: Independent
New Zealand: Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand
Niue: Independent
Papua New Guinea: Independent
Palau: Independent
Philippines: Independent
Samoa: Independent
Solomon Islands: Independent
Timor Leste: Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor
Tokelau: Independent
Tonga: Independent
Tuvalu: Independent
Wallis and Futuna: People’s Union for Wallis and Futuna


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