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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2012, 05:27:28 am »
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I couldn't find any "Libertarian" parties Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2012, 05:38:26 am »
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Well, that's because there's no such a thing as a libertarian in France. Grin I guess you might go for one of the centrist outfits (probably not MoDem though).

We do have a LaRouchite candidate, though ! Grin
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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2012, 07:58:42 am »
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Well, France does have 'libertarian' parties but they're more in the vein of classical liberalism than America's weird conspiratory anarcho-capitalism. The oldest one is Alternative liberale, which has apparently merged into the NC. The other one is the Liberal Democratic Party (PLD) which is a split off of AL. There are some tiny anarcho-syndicalist parties as well, but I don't recall them running candidates much. In terms of proximity to social and economic liberalism, Borloo's Radicals are probably a good bet fwiw.

Historically, Alain Madelin's DL - their heir of Giscard's PR - was quite close to liberalism - though it had some pretty socially conservative elements. They also left a bad taste in my mouth because Madelin was pro-Iraq and the DL was formed by apologists for the FN who didn't see the trouble in allying with them for the sake of power.
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2012, 08:34:42 am »
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Well, France does have 'libertarian' parties but they're more in the vein of classical liberalism than America's weird conspiratory anarcho-capitalism. The oldest one is Alternative liberale, which has apparently merged into the NC. The other one is the Liberal Democratic Party (PLD) which is a split off of AL. There are some tiny anarcho-syndicalist parties as well, but I don't recall them running candidates much. In terms of proximity to social and economic liberalism, Borloo's Radicals are probably a good bet fwiw.

Historically, Alain Madelin's DL - their heir of Giscard's PR - was quite close to liberalism - though it had some pretty socially conservative elements. They also left a bad taste in my mouth because Madelin was pro-Iraq and the DL was formed by apologists for the FN who didn't see the trouble in allying with them for the sake of power.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Madelin.

Generally speaking, I think there are a few guys in the centrist parties - NC, Radicals, AC, etc... - who would be reasonably close to "libertarians". In the UMP as well, but considering their general populist nutjobbery I have a hard time seeing you fit there.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2012, 09:10:19 am »
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Ireland: Green? Labour?
UK: Liberal Democrat
France: EELV, Far-Left, then Socialist
Switzerland: Greens
Belgium: Ecolo
Netherlands: GL

etc, etc

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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2012, 09:30:01 am »
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I AM in other country (Russia) and i am Indie there as well (though  - close to Parnas or, more generally, "Democratic Russia" movement). In General i would be considered "very right wing" in Russia, "centrist" - in Europe and "somewhat left" (a sort of Democratic-leaning Indie) in US. It's happens)))
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2012, 10:50:19 am »
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Canada: Staunch NDP partisan
USA: I would vote Democratic if I had to, but would prefer to vote for a minor left wing party
Mexico: PRD
Brazil: PDT (Democratic Labour)
Argetina: PS (Socialist)
South Africa: I would've supported the ANC under Mandela, but they've gone crazy since his departure. I would probably support COPE there.
UK: I supported the LibDems until the coalition/election of Milliband. Now I support Labour.
France: PS
Spain: PSOE
Germany: Die Linke
Italy: PD
Ireland: Labour
Netherlands: Labour
Poland: SLD
Ukraine: Natalia Korolevska's Party, but I have supported Yulia Tymoshenko in the past
Greece: maybe Syriza (PASOK until the crisis)
Russia: Probably the Commies
India: INC
Japan: SDP
Korea: UPP
Australia: ALP
NZ: Labour
Israel: Probably Labour, but Meretz sounds tempting

Y'all should do Quebec as well. I would vote Green or QS there depending on the riding.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2012, 03:16:26 pm »
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A lightly updated list from a year ago.

Australia: Labor Party
Brazil: Partido dos Trabalhadores (Workers' Party)
Canada: New Democratic Party
Finland: Left Alliance/Social Democratic Party
France: Somewhere between Parti Socialiste and the Communists.
Germany: Die Linke
Greece: SYRIZA
Ireland: Labour Party
Israel: Labor
Italy: Democratic Party (Due to lack of other good options.)
Japan: Japanese Communist Party
Korea, Republic of: Democratic United Party
Mexico: Partido de la Revolución Democrática
New Zealand: Labour/Greens
Norway: Norwegian Labour Party
Russia: A Just Russia
Spain: Spanish Socialist Workers' Party
Sweden: Swedish Social Democratic Party
Switzerland: Social Democratic Party of Switzerland
Ukraine: Ukraine – Forward!
United Kingdom: Labour Party (Though like others here I would've been a LibDem supporter for a few years, ending after the 2010 election.)
United States: Democratic Party

And per Earl's request, Québec: Parti Québécois or Québec Solidaire, depending on the riding.
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2012, 09:08:10 pm »
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Ireland: Green? Labour?
UK: Liberal Democrat
France: EELV, Far-Left, then Socialist
Switzerland: Greens
Belgium: Ecolo
Netherlands: GL

etc, etc

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I only put the Lib Dems on there for a matter of principle. Third Way Labour is unappealing to me, and the Greens seem quite week. Do I have another choice?
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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2012, 09:17:30 pm »
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Ireland: Green? Labour?
UK: Liberal Democrat
France: EELV, Far-Left, then Socialist
Switzerland: Greens
Belgium: Ecolo
Netherlands: GL

etc, etc

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I only put the Lib Dems on there for a matter of principle. Third Way Labour is unappealing to me, and the Greens seem quite week. Do I have another choice?

So, you'd vote for the UK's answer to Germany's FDP? Okay...
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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2012, 09:47:10 pm »
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USA: Democratic
UK: Labour
Germany: SDP
Israel: Meretz-Yachad
Canada: NDP
Australia: Labor
Denmark: Social Democrats
Italy: Democratic
Russia: A Just Russia
France: PS
Austria: SPO
Ireland: Labour
Spain: PSOE
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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2012, 09:53:48 pm »
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Australia: Since preferential voting allows it, some random left-wing indies, Greens or Labor first, which would amount to Labor on the 2PP.

Brazil: None, as parties have no coherent ideology there. But, obviously, I support the left, which is often PT.

Canada: New Democratic Party, I'm even a member of them.

Québec: PQ. Not than I like them, but Charest must leave, and CAQ is way too right-wing. It's the lesser evil. For the ones wondering "Why not QS?", some of their policies would be very harmful to the economy.

Finland: Left Alliance or Social Democratic Party. In the situation of this year presidential election, Green League.

France: Usually socialist, depending of the voting system, the candidates,and the risk of a left-wing elimination by the first round, I may support PCF, EELV, PRG or other random left-wing indies

Germany: Die Linke, Greens or SDP, depending on what is the smartest for a left-wing coalition.
 
Greece: Some left-wing party (so, NOT PASOK, which sold out to the CDU). I lost track of parties there, the political landscape is quikly evolving.

Ireland: Labour Party, but I may my preferences for other left-wing candidates first. Depends on the context and the candidates.

Israel: Labor, as the only left-wing party which can take power.

Italy: Left. Sure, it isn't a party, but it's complicated there. I like SEL and IdV, but the context and the candidates are important. Anyways, they'll sit together in any case.

Japan: Communist (which are to the right of Social Democrats) or DP.

Korea, Republic of: Democratic United Party

Mexico: PRD or PRI, depending of circumstances.

New Zealand: Labour or Greens, depending of circumtances.

Norway: Norwegian Labour Party, obviously

Russia: As it isn't a democracy, is voting is important?

Spain: PSOE. Perhaps IU or regionalist parties in some cases.

Sweden: SDP, again

Switzerland: The socialist one, which has 3-4 names, like other big Swiss parties.

Ukraine: No clue. Not the incumbent party, as he jailed his oppoent under dubious charges.

United Kingdom: Labour, through probably LibDems from 2003 to 2010, for protesting New Labour and because I didn't know the truth about them. Replace LibDems by SNP if in Scotland, Salmond seems quite competent.

United States: Democratic Party. I obviously think they are too right-wing, but given the system used to vote, I don't have a choice to oppose Republicans.
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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2012, 10:34:51 pm »
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I only put the Lib Dems on there for a matter of principle. Third Way Labour is unappealing to me, and the Greens seem quite week. Do I have another choice

Again, lol.
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2012, 10:46:58 pm »
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USA: Democrats, or sometimes a liberal 3rd party
UK: Lib Dem in the recent past, unsure now. If Scotland, SNP.
Canada: NDP
Germany: SDP
France: Socialist
Spain: PSOE
Russia: A Just Russia
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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2012, 11:10:52 pm »
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You do know that A Just Russia is controlled by the Kremlin, don't you?

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2012, 11:17:33 pm »
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Russian elections really aren't "elections" in the traditional Western sense of the term so much as an interesting exercise in direct democracy in which people are polled on which ideological direction they want the Kremlin to take.  The results are no doubt well-studied and taken into careful consideration.
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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2012, 11:40:33 am »
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I notice a couple of my fellow libertarians would vote Fianna Fail if they were in Ireland. Well, they're terrible. The country's massively messed up after 14 years of them being in power and economically they're all things to all people while socially they are very conservative. In the early 1990s they even opposed divorce. Of the major parties, Fine Gael are a little right of centre economically so you could like them while labour are socially liberal and are hardly left wing at all economically.
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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2012, 12:32:26 pm »
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You do know that A Just Russia is controlled by the Kremlin, don't you?

Every party in Russia is controlled by the Kremlin.
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2012, 12:57:04 pm »
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Australia: Liberal
Canada: Conservative
Denmark: Liberal Alliance
Finland: National Coalition
France: NC
Germany: FDP
Ireland: Fine Gael
Netherlands: VVD
New Zealand: ACT
Norway: Conservative
South Africa: Democratic Alliance
Spain: People's Party
Sweden: Moderate
Switzerland: FDP
UK: Conservative












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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2012, 01:37:12 pm »
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Even if I dont like their defence policy and find them a little too soft on immigration and crime fighting I would probably just vote green in almost any non-Nordic country, unleess there was a specific reason not to.

Australia: Green
Canada: Green
France: Green
Germany: Green
Netherlands: Hard one. Dem 66 is too far right on the environment and their Greens are too left wing for me. I might actually end up with Labour for lack of choice.
New Zealand: Green
Norway: Senterpartiet
South Africa: Democratic Alliance
Spain: CiU in Catalonia, probably UPD in the rest of Spain, but I might consider some of the other regional parties.
Brazil: Green
Sweden: Centerpartiet
Finland: Swedish Peoples Party (Scandinavian solidarity...)
Scotland: SNP  
Wales: Plaid Cymru
England: Green
Ireland and NI: Sinn Fein
USA: Green
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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2012, 01:45:40 pm »
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Finland: Swedish Peoples Party

Why in the world would you ?
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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2012, 04:02:35 pm »
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Finland: Swedish Peoples Party

Why in the world would you ?
Cultural reasons.
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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2012, 04:07:43 pm »
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Finland: Swedish Peoples Party

Why in the world would you ?
Cultural reasons.

Meh, I've never got the point of ethnic parties. They don't fit my vision of what a modern democracy should be.
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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2012, 12:25:51 am »
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I don't understand the idea of a Turkish party in Germany.  If they love their culture so much then why did they ever leave home?  Same with all ethnic parties.  I'm not trolling, but seriously, how and why are ethnic parties created, and what's the point?
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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2012, 06:01:52 pm »
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Australia: Swing-voter, would support moderate Liberals, otherwise Greens
Austria: I'd hold my noose and support the ÖVP
Belgium: I'm guessing Open VLD from what I've read
Canada: Don't really like any of them, but probably Liberals
Denmark: Liberal Alliance or Venstre 
Finland: Is there any actual difference between Finish parties? Oh well Centre Party I guess.
France: They all suck! I'd emigrate.
Germany: I'd swing between CDU and FDP. CDU at the moment.
Greece: *See France*
Ireland: Fine Gael easily.
Israel: Not a big fan of any party, but Kadima for seeming least awful.
New Zealand: National
Norway: I'm guessing either Höyre or Venstre
Spain: Some regionalist party most likly.
Sweden: Actually a member of the Centre Party
United Kingdom: Conservatives
United States: Indipendant (Mostly voting for Democrats)


Finland: Swedish Peoples Party

Why in the world would you ?

Too piss of the True Finns?
Anyway, for once I totally agree with you Antonio, never liked ethnicity parties.
Which is why I find the Belgium party system so completly ridicolous.
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