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« on: April 12, 2012, 12:57:37 am »
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 01:05:08 am »
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And the difference too. WOW.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 01:49:30 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 03:01:26 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 03:32:37 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.

Here is how Bush does today:

BTW: George W. Bush has a 45-50 favorable rating these days, according to the poll - among all voters.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 06:53:21 am »
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Also, Hillary Clinton's favorables are about 20 points higher than they were four years ago.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 07:22:39 am »
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I can't believe Gore and Kerry were widely considered unlikable candidates and yet they look like Glinda the Good Witch next to Mitt. Romney feels so much like a Dem nominee for President, between his awkwardness, his insincere pivoting on issues, and the media's obvious disdain for him.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 07:25:01 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.

Here is how Bush does today:

BTW: George W. Bush has a 45-50 favorable rating these days, according to the poll - among all voters.

It appears Romney is such a weak nominee that the Republicans would be better off with George W. Bush as their candidate.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 07:37:36 am »
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 08:01:53 am »
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Worst GOP nominee since Goldwater. Think about it.

Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, McCain, Bush II - None of them were in the same position of being seen as unelectable as Mitt Romney is.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 08:22:33 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.

Here is how Bush does today:

BTW: George W. Bush has a 45-50 favorable rating these days, according to the poll - among all voters.

For the record I didn't really mean individual politicians over time - I admit my wording was a bit unclear.

I may be wrong but it is my impression that public level of trust in politicians has gone down in general over the last few decades. That's certainly true here, at least.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 08:24:32 am »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.

Here is how Bush does today:

BTW: George W. Bush has a 45-50 favorable rating these days, according to the poll - among all voters.

For the record I didn't really mean individual politicians over time - I admit my wording was a bit unclear.

I may be wrong but it is my impression that public level of trust in politicians has gone down in general over the last few decades. That's certainly true here, at least.

It certainly has, but look at how successful Obama was in 2008 in seeming to transcend that. It's as if the negative feelings leave an opening for national politicians to appear to be above it all.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 08:36:57 am »
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Maybe it's a time to draft George W. Bush for President?

Screw the constitution. He's still more electable than Mitt Romney.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 09:00:17 am »
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Maybe it's a time to draft George W. Bush for President?

Screw the constitution. He's still more electable than Mitt Romney.

The funny thing is that he actually is... You couldn't drink a beer with Mitt Romney. I mean, you literally couldn't.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 09:12:48 am »
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I say he's the most damaged since 1972.
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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2012, 09:14:06 am »
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2012, 09:29:01 am »
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This election may also have some similarity to UK 1992. Obama (Major), a personally well-liked leader going up against the unpopular opposition leader Romney (Kinnock) during pretty poor economic circumstances.
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2012, 12:44:37 pm »
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Worst GOP nominee since Goldwater. Think about it

This is something the Santorum campaign has been saying since day one.

Goldwater style landslide coming right up.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2012, 12:48:39 pm »
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This is something the Santorum campaign has been saying since day one.

Goldwater style landslide coming right up.

I wouldn't say a landslide of those proportions is possible, but the candidate is as bad a pick. Santorum was the better candidate.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2012, 12:52:16 pm »
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I wouldn't say a landslide of those proportions is possible, but the candidate is as bad a pick. Santorum was the better candidate.

If he's down by 12 in Colorado, then he's going to keep Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming.

Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota and Montana are all tossup.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2012, 12:55:24 pm »
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Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota and Montana are all tossup.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2012, 04:55:11 pm »
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too lazy to look up the specific numbers, but Clinton obviously had negative unfavorables in April and was probably trailing Perot and Bush as Nirvana was on their Nevermind tour and we were all glued to our TV sets watching TMNT (soon to be butchered by Michael Bay), doing M. Bison vs. Dhalsim battles, and so on. 
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2012, 05:27:01 pm »
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too lazy to look up the specific numbers, but Clinton obviously had negative unfavorables in April and was probably trailing Perot and Bush

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In April 1992, his favorable/unfavorable ratio was at 32/43 percent. Clinton had been hounded by allegations of sexual misconduct with Gennifer Flowers, as well as accusations he evaded the Vietnam War draft.

So Romney is doing one point worse than Clinton did with a fresh sex scandal.  Congrats to Mitt.

Really, I only see this number going down as Mitt gets to meet the general election voters more.  Unless I'm underestimating this man, I can't see Mitt being better than -20 on Election Day.  The dude is too sleezy.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2012, 05:28:29 pm »
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To be fair, it seems to me like politicians in general have lower favourables now than historically. But that still doesn't excuse Romney of course.

Naw, it's just Romney.

Has anyone polled Bush lately? I found a CNN poll from September where he was 42-53, which is comparable to Romney's numbers.

Here is how Bush does today:

BTW: George W. Bush has a 45-50 favorable rating these days, according to the poll - among all voters.

For the record I didn't really mean individual politicians over time - I admit my wording was a bit unclear.

I may be wrong but it is my impression that public level of trust in politicians has gone down in general over the last few decades. That's certainly true here, at least.

Romney is being compared mainly to presidential nominees from the last decade and a half or so in this thread, though, so his awful popularity rates within that context  can't be blamed on any sort of political conjuncture.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2012, 05:31:57 pm »
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Bob Dole had at least a chance. Mitt Romney doesn't. Tongue
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