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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2012, 09:30:44 pm »
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Just implement automatic/universal voter registration and throw out any votes that don't match up against the voter database (deceased, multiple votes per person, etc).

Oh wait, that would make voting easier and lead to tens of millions of more people voting. Can't have that right?
So you would throw out the valid vote along with the invalid one?
How do you determine which one was valid?

You'd throw out just the illegitimate votes. Determining which is legitimate is the issue.

It'd be easy for electronic voting as you could check/control the source of the vote (only one vote is allowed per authorized voter account and only the unique voter could log into their account).

For postal voting you could rely on signatures and more data like printing a unique number/watermark on each letter (or the ballot itself) which is linked to the voter getting the postal ballot and then throw out any postal ballots coming back from that supposed voter with a different number/watermark than the one the elections office sent out to that specific voter.

For in-person voting, I'm not really sure how you'd deal with multiple votes per person on the back end. Aside from contacting the voter to confirm, I'm thinking you could use a system where the ballot is printed on-site with only one printing allowed per voter and the ballot includes a unique number/watermark like the one above for verification purposes but that seems like it would take a lot of time.

How do in-person voting systems currently deal with multiple votes per person?

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2012, 09:32:09 pm »
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Republican almost commits felony to show that people can commit felonies. Yawn.
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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2012, 11:29:11 pm »
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Just implement automatic/universal voter registration and throw out any votes that don't match up against the voter database (deceased, multiple votes per person, etc).

Oh wait, that would make voting easier and lead to tens of millions of more people voting. Can't have that right?
So you would throw out the valid vote along with the invalid one?
How do you determine which one was valid?
My point is precisely you can't tell which belongs to the real voter if you have two voters come in under the same name. So if you are throwing out votes after the fact, you are going to throw away a valid vote.  Or the first person using that name gets to vote, and the other can't because he's listed as having already voted.  And this problem is not only fraud but also mistakes by poll workers checking the wrong name if two are similar.    I'm not sure of the solution, but throwing out a valid vote or two because there was a mistake or an invalid vote connected to it isn't it.
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 01:50:41 am »


How do in-person voting systems currently deal with multiple votes per person?


I can't speak of all systems, but here in South Carolina the general rule is that absentee ballots must be received 4 days before the election.  This gives the election commission time to mark on the voter rolls that will be used at the precincts that they have received an absentee ballot for that voter and thus they know that they are to not hand that person a ballot if they show up at the polls.  There are procedures for a voter to cast a provisional ballot if they dispute that they cast an absentee ballot.

Also, if someone pulled the stunt mentioned in the OP here, they aren't supposed to get a ballot.  You are required to produce an ID and the poll worker must check the ID against the voter roll.  It just is that at present one of the acceptable forms of ID is the non-picture voter registration card that is currently in use.  If the poll worker failed to check the ID, they would be doing their job wrong.
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 11:36:16 am »
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Congress should issue Photo ID cards to US citizens, and require that the States permit their use for voting, without pre-registration.
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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2012, 11:51:18 am »
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Congress should issue Photo ID cards to US citizens, and require that the States permit their use for voting, without pre-registration.

If that happened, the whole teabagger crowd would start screaming "OMG NATIONAL ID CARD, 1984!!!!!!"
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2012, 12:25:27 pm »
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Congress should issue Photo ID cards to US citizens, and require that the States permit their use for voting, without pre-registration.

If that happened, the whole teabagger crowd would start screaming "OMG NATIONAL ID CARD, 1984!!!!!!"

Why exactly is there legitimate opposition to national ID?
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2012, 12:29:15 pm »
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Well the REAL ID Act was a pretty bad piece of legislation, but it's the details of it, not so much the idea. Not that I really support a national ID card.
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