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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2012, 11:49:24 pm »
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Clann na Poblachta had a substantial fascist faction? That's interesting. My (admittedly rather uninformed) understanding was that it was something like today's Sinn Féin in its espousal of left-wing nationalism.
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2012, 05:55:29 am »
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The most likely future is as a predominantly rural analogue of the Scandinavian Centre parties, because while I don't see the urban vote returning any time soon, in a lot of rural areas they are the only organised or semi-credible alternative to Fine Gael at local level.
That is the one available niche I saw on the centre-right side. Ireland is significantly smaller than Sweden, Norway and Finland, but you have a strong rural/urban divide for such a small country.
They could hold the balance of power between FG and Labour/Sinn Fein.

Nordic centrists survive on a mix of support for rural subsidies/interests and some single issues to attract "non-socialist" voters who are not comfortable with the major centre-right parties: enviroment/ecology, euro-scepticism and a "humane" approach to immigration and crime. I suppose nationalism and perhaps euro-scepticism could still work as such profile issues for FF. Maybe also civil rights? (if FG has an authoritarian bias as you claimed).

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2012, 05:51:49 pm »
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That's quite possible, but I don't see that coming from Ganley but more likely from some ex-FF/FG type who claims to speak for "de peeple". Perhaps someone whose major talent would be the ability to say the word "entrepreneur" a lot.

On further thought, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with that particular individual.

I would have in mind a certain loudmouthed bankruptcy tourist with a newspaper column and, until very very recently, a breakfast radio show.

Lol. Funny story here. I went to bed last...uhmm.. morning trying to think about who exactly you were talking about. As I tried to get to sleep, I thought for a while about other potential future "leaders" of this country, an image came to me for a former FG TD for Wexford who until recently owned a chain of bookies across the country but had recently been made bankrupt and was a known right-wing cretin for his appearances on Vincent Brown and his newspaper article.... I thought about this for a while, and then realized "Oh wait, hang on".

He would be a perfect candidate for this.

Clann na Poblachta had a substantial fascist faction? That's interesting. My (admittedly rather uninformed) understanding was that it was something like today's Sinn Féin in its espousal of left-wing nationalism.

Elements of it were, yes. The thing to note about CnP was that it essentially attracted all the republican and nationalist elements who were, for various reasons, annoyed at De Valera and FF. So it could include Noel Browne (whose time as minister for health showed that he was an obvious socialist on many issues) but also many former members of Ailtiri na hAiserighe. The party though remained somewhat conservative though reformist as a whole, very much in the FF mode, as was shown when McBride pushed Browne off a cliff during the mother and child debacle.

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More seriously, I wouldn't equate "rural" with "gombeen".

I wasn't. Only to say that it would increasing represent interests that are somewhat divorced from those of other parts of the country. I wouldn't say gombeenism doesn't exist in the Capital, but it comes in a different flavour.
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 11:54:06 am »
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Interestingly, every FF leader since Haughey, the Taoiseach in the late 80s, resigned in disgrace. Him, Reynolds, Ahern and Cowen.

I think they'll be back, but I hope they don't come back.
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 12:29:50 pm »
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Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2012, 01:15:45 pm »
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Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
The Irish are hardly Anglo-Saxon, even if they do have a drop of English blood or two Wink
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2012, 01:28:28 pm »
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Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
The Irish are hardly Anglo-Saxon, even if they do have a drop of English blood or two Wink

You're right. Sorry, I hope no Irishman has taken offense. Wink
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2012, 02:19:44 pm »
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Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).

No.

Anglo-Celt. Get it right.
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