Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 25, 2013, 08:02:56 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  International General Discussion (Moderators: Peter, afleitch)
| | |-+  Future of Fianna Fail
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] Print
Author Topic: Future of Fianna Fail  (Read 1125 times)
Χahar
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 36879
Bangladesh


View Profile
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2012, 11:49:24 pm »
Ignore

Clann na Poblachta had a substantial fascist faction? That's interesting. My (admittedly rather uninformed) understanding was that it was something like today's Sinn Féin in its espousal of left-wing nationalism.
Logged

I'm not sure if this new tendency to appeal to the apparent inherent evil of Xahar in all things even remotely related to forum policing or this damn game is especially helpful.
politicus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2403
Denmark


View Profile
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2012, 05:55:29 am »
Ignore

The most likely future is as a predominantly rural analogue of the Scandinavian Centre parties, because while I don't see the urban vote returning any time soon, in a lot of rural areas they are the only organised or semi-credible alternative to Fine Gael at local level.
That is the one available niche I saw on the centre-right side. Ireland is significantly smaller than Sweden, Norway and Finland, but you have a strong rural/urban divide for such a small country.
They could hold the balance of power between FG and Labour/Sinn Fein.

Nordic centrists survive on a mix of support for rural subsidies/interests and some single issues to attract "non-socialist" voters who are not comfortable with the major centre-right parties: enviroment/ecology, euro-scepticism and a "humane" approach to immigration and crime. I suppose nationalism and perhaps euro-scepticism could still work as such profile issues for FF. Maybe also civil rights? (if FG has an authoritarian bias as you claimed).

Logged

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Winston Churchill

"While I am a great believer in the free enterprise system and all that it entails, I am an even stronger believer in the right of our people to live in a clean and pollution-free environment."

Barry Goldwater

The way 90% of Atlas threads end up:
Ghyl Tarvoke
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9941
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2012, 05:51:49 pm »
Ignore

That's quite possible, but I don't see that coming from Ganley but more likely from some ex-FF/FG type who claims to speak for "de peeple". Perhaps someone whose major talent would be the ability to say the word "entrepreneur" a lot.

On further thought, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with that particular individual.

I would have in mind a certain loudmouthed bankruptcy tourist with a newspaper column and, until very very recently, a breakfast radio show.

Lol. Funny story here. I went to bed last...uhmm.. morning trying to think about who exactly you were talking about. As I tried to get to sleep, I thought for a while about other potential future "leaders" of this country, an image came to me for a former FG TD for Wexford who until recently owned a chain of bookies across the country but had recently been made bankrupt and was a known right-wing cretin for his appearances on Vincent Brown and his newspaper article.... I thought about this for a while, and then realized "Oh wait, hang on".

He would be a perfect candidate for this.

Clann na Poblachta had a substantial fascist faction? That's interesting. My (admittedly rather uninformed) understanding was that it was something like today's Sinn Féin in its espousal of left-wing nationalism.

Elements of it were, yes. The thing to note about CnP was that it essentially attracted all the republican and nationalist elements who were, for various reasons, annoyed at De Valera and FF. So it could include Noel Browne (whose time as minister for health showed that he was an obvious socialist on many issues) but also many former members of Ailtiri na hAiserighe. The party though remained somewhat conservative though reformist as a whole, very much in the FF mode, as was shown when McBride pushed Browne off a cliff during the mother and child debacle.

Quote
More seriously, I wouldn't equate "rural" with "gombeen".

I wasn't. Only to say that it would increasing represent interests that are somewhat divorced from those of other parts of the country. I wouldn't say gombeenism doesn't exist in the Capital, but it comes in a different flavour.
Logged


Quote from: Liveline On Séan Quinn
These are ordinary people Joe, he just wanted to buy a bank
Quote from: Some guy on Facebook
Guess it's a question of perspective & choice of narrative method ...

... and that, by the way, is also one of the reasons why none of Eric Hobsbawm's books has been turned into a succesful Broadway musical so far.
argentarius
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 846
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 11:54:06 am »
Ignore

Interestingly, every FF leader since Haughey, the Taoiseach in the late 80s, resigned in disgrace. Him, Reynolds, Ahern and Cowen.

I think they'll be back, but I hope they don't come back.
Logged
Californian Tony
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24703
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P P

View Profile
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 12:29:50 pm »
Ignore

Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
Logged



Truer today than it was yesterday.



"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."

Jon Stewart
politicus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2403
Denmark


View Profile
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2012, 01:15:45 pm »
Ignore

Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
The Irish are hardly Anglo-Saxon, even if they do have a drop of English blood or two Wink
« Last Edit: April 14, 2012, 01:26:46 pm by politicus »Logged

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Winston Churchill

"While I am a great believer in the free enterprise system and all that it entails, I am an even stronger believer in the right of our people to live in a clean and pollution-free environment."

Barry Goldwater

The way 90% of Atlas threads end up:
Californian Tony
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24703
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P P

View Profile
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2012, 01:28:28 pm »
Ignore

Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).
The Irish are hardly Anglo-Saxon, even if they do have a drop of English blood or two Wink

You're right. Sorry, I hope no Irishman has taken offense. Wink
Logged



Truer today than it was yesterday.



"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."

Jon Stewart
Ghyl Tarvoke
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9941
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2012, 02:19:44 pm »
Ignore

Resigning in disgrace seems to be something PMs in Anglo-Saxon countries do quite often (or, when they don't, getting thrown out by their own party).

No.

Anglo-Celt. Get it right.
Logged


Quote from: Liveline On Séan Quinn
These are ordinary people Joe, he just wanted to buy a bank
Quote from: Some guy on Facebook
Guess it's a question of perspective & choice of narrative method ...

... and that, by the way, is also one of the reasons why none of Eric Hobsbawm's books has been turned into a succesful Broadway musical so far.
Pages: 1 [2] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
Forums Directory