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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2012, 11:14:09 pm »
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It is ridiculous to brush Rasmussen off as 'inaccurate'. Their sample might be off but they were very good in the past couple presidential races. And how dare you leftist hacks brush them off as "Republican" then tout PPP's numbers when they are a Democratic pollster?
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2012, 11:18:23 pm »
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How's Romney going to do in California, again?

And Colorado.

What I do know is that, as of now, Mitt is kickin' Barack's butt.

And by the way, make sure you read the post from ShadowOfTheWave.  Bang on.
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 11:18:49 pm »
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Ahh, more excuses.

What's your next one gonna be..........

Well, this pollster didn't have Wheaties for breakfast, so his poll is all wrong, an outlier.....

Okay, don't even address any of our points.

Liberals here deem polls with high favorables for Obama as outliers all the time- myself, included.  If it's a pollster that's either biased, has a poor track record (on ALL races- not just presidential), or posts absurd numbers, it shouldn't be taken seriously.  Period.
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 11:19:11 pm »
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How's Romney going to do in California, again?

And Colorado.

What I do know is that, as of now, Mitt is kickin' Barack's butt.

And by the way, make sure you read the post from ShadowOfTheWave.  Bang on.

Great argument!
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 11:24:10 pm »
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How's Romney going to do in California, again?

And Colorado.

What I do know is that, as of now, Mitt is kickin' Barack's butt.

And by the way, make sure you read the post from ShadowOfTheWave.  Bang on.

Great argument!

Your hackery knows no bounds.
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2012, 11:25:13 pm »
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How's Romney going to do in California, again?

And Colorado.

What I do know is that, as of now, Mitt is kickin' Barack's butt.

And by the way, make sure you read the post from ShadowOfTheWave.  Bang on.

Great argument!

Your hackery knows no bounds.

I ju-

Did I read this post correctly?
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2012, 11:27:42 pm »
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Mitt must be at 300% in Texas. There's no other way to reconcile this with the dozens of state polls by every polling outfit around.
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2012, 11:41:21 pm »
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It is ridiculous to brush Rasmussen off as 'inaccurate'. Their sample might be off but they were very good in the past couple presidential races. And how dare you leftist hacks brush them off as "Republican" then tout PPP's numbers when they are a Democratic pollster?

It's not solely because they're Republican, it's because their sampling, bizarre swings, and general quality have in fact suffered greatly over the past few years. PPP was much more accurate in 2010 and actually was found to exhibit a slight Republican bias.

In this particular case, Rasmussen has been a few points more Republican than the other pollsters, or had oddly high undecideds, or exhibited strange swings, or some combination of the three at quite a few points in this cycle. Polls that would (will?) give me cause for concern at this point would be Gallup, PPP, or any of various state polls. If those do show Romney tied with or with-MOE-ahead-of Obama at this point I'll gladly accept it (for given values of 'to accept') as a genuine 'presumptive nominee' bounce, which I confide will be short-term unless something goes wrong or the President does something stupid.

Until then, it's a couple of right-leaning pollsters understandably trying to capitalize on the perception that there perhaps should be a 'presumptive nominee' bounce and/or using weird samples like they have a history of doing.

If Rasmussen's polling is borne out further down the line I'll gladly retract the extreme suspicion that I have of it presently.

Mitt must be at 300% in Texas. There's no other way to reconcile this with the dozens of state polls by every polling outfit around.

This as well.
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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2012, 01:19:53 am »
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Not to rain on the Democratic parade here, but as far as I can recall Fox polls haven't been that bad historically. Back when I followed pollster quality more closely they were considered one of the more reliable ones, actually.

EDIT: that's not to say that I buy this or dispute any of the legitimate gripes with partisan reg numbers and so on - just to say that I'm not sure the "it's Fox, haha" line of attack is necessarily that valid.
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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2012, 01:45:13 am »
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It's a bogus poll.
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2012, 03:36:37 am »
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For those defending this poll: Do any of you actually believe that the sample used to conduct this poll is reflective of what the electorate will look like on election day? 19% Independent? Not happening.
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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2012, 09:18:48 am »
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unless... the President does something stupid.
Honestly+seriously, doesn't he have to do SOMETHING to offset the inevitable stupid things ? ? ?

also, this isn't a 'bump', It is the start of the race.  It could act like a bump or this might be the normal trend line of the race.  It started 4 days ago, so how can you 'bump' from before the start?     
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2012, 03:33:54 pm »
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FoX News went from the very objective Opinion Dynamics to a different pollster. Changing pollsters without telling people is a bad practice.

FoX Propaganda Channel played up this poll this morning. FoX has a tendency to force a story to fit its agenda. 
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2012, 10:56:54 pm »
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The bump, if it's real, would be from the 'start of the race' and the optics for Romney of actually being a presumptive nominee, relative to the months and months of Obama-Romney polling before this.

The problem for Romney going forward is that he is either still the same person now as he was a week ago or he has left a truly massive swath of evidence from having opportunistically changed to be otherwise.
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2012, 01:03:22 am »
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I had a Gallup poll that showed Romney ahead of Obama 47 to 45, and somebody deletes that? What the hell?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153902/Romney-Obama-Tight-Race-Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Begins.aspx
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2012, 01:05:54 am »
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I had a Gallup poll that showed Romney ahead of Obama 47 to 45, and somebody deletes that? What the hell?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153902/Romney-Obama-Tight-Race-Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Begins.aspx

I deleted it.

There's a thread called "National Tracking Poll Thread" on the top, in which we put every tracking poll from now on (Rasmussen, Gallup, whatever comes up next).
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2012, 01:07:11 am »
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Ok cool, I thought it was deleted for another reason.
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