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« on: April 13, 2012, 02:34:23 PM »

Seven Ways 2012 Won’t Be Anything Like 2008 For Team Obama
   
William Galston

April 13, 2012 | 12:00 am

Here's the essence of the article in one brief phrase:

“…the 2012 contest will be very different from the president’s triumphant march to the White House four years ago.”

For more detailed info:

http://www.tnr.com/article/the-vital-center/102614/barack-obama-reelection-2012-campaign-2008-president
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 02:56:36 PM »

Good read!
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 09:00:47 AM »

Seven Ways 2012 Won’t Be Anything Like 2008 For Team Obama
   
William Galston

April 13, 2012 | 12:00 am

Here's the essence of the article in one brief phrase:

“…the 2012 contest will be very different from the president’s triumphant march to the White House four years ago.”

For more detailed info:

http://www.tnr.com/article/the-vital-center/102614/barack-obama-reelection-2012-campaign-2008-president


Again, a good read. Mitt Romney is not septuagenarian military hero (or at least martyr) John McCain, and President Obama has clearly shown what sort of President he is.

No two Presidential elections are exactly alike. Even the 1952 and 1956 Presidential elections that had the same Presidential candidates weren't quite the same because four years after the election of Dwight Eisenhower people knew what Ike was.

2012 will be a referendum, not a choice.

I've seen plenty of R posters fantasize that President Obama is the new Jimmy Carter. Unlike Carter, President Obama has gotten much of his legislative agenda passed and needs make new promises only to reflect changing reality. When an incumbent meets his promises, he can run on his record. When he fails he must make new ones or estate his old promises as did Carter.

Incumbent politicians run on their records and win or from their records and lose.

No more promises of bipartisanship

Bipartisanship has failed. Republicans rejected just about everything and doubled down in 2010. To be effective in changing the direction of America  the President needs to hold a majority in the Senate and win back the House.

No more “Yes, we can.”

A campaign slogans like "Yes, we can!" translates no better into public policy than does "Tippecanoe and Tyler too".  In recent months the most common application of “Yes, we can!” has been by used-car dealerships that tell people with fecal credit ratings that the dealership can get people into jalopies that replace the current junkers.

Campaign mode and governing mode cannot be the same.   

No more youth movement.

Of course the GOP has done much to excite young voters to vote for an agenda that will doom most to lives of poverty, repress their sex lives, narrow opportunities to temporary jobs that pay badly, accelerate the ravaging of the environment for quick bucks that most people will never get, and implies diplomatic bullying and wars for profit.

"While it’s unlikely that Romney will get a larger share of the youth vote than McCain did, it’s equally unlikely that Obama will get as many votes from this pool as he did four years ago."

What President Obama has failed to excite young voters the GOP has done even more effectively to alienate. This could be a partial re-enactment of the elections of 1964 or 1972 in which the incumbent's campaign successfully depicted the Other Side as dangerous and capricious extremists.

Blue-state big business has moved on.

Undeniable. President Obama, much like FDR in 1932, got a mandate to save the capitalist order from its own worst tendencies and succeeded. If tycoons and executives have returned to the GOP, employees still distrust people who have 'moved on'  back to the old GOP agenda of tax cuts for elites only, harsher workplace discipline, and more transformation of manufacturing companies into importers.

Tycoons and executives can still vote against the President as they largely did in 2008. But their employees may think much as they did in 2008. American workers still distrust their employers; large numbers of people are heavily in debt and have no desire for deflationary and elitist economics. This isn't the 1950s in which the common man is confident about his economic future and trusts his employer and is more concerned about keeping and growing his savings.  Debtors tend to go Left; creditors tend to go Right, and I see no cause for any change in that pattern.     

Selecting a campaign message will be a zero-sum choice.

"General Motors is alive and Osama bin Laden is dead" already circulates.

This may be a choice of sobriety against madness, consistency against unreliability, or proven achievement against wild promises. The President isn't at a loss for words, and he surrounds himself with people who can put words together.  It may be what Mitt Romney does that creates the style of the 2008 campaign, but the President can do very well in defining himself.

Campaigning is the easy part -- cheerleading for things that everyone likes. Governing and legislating imply zero-sum choices.

Obama is no longer the master of his fate.  

Of course. An economic meltdown or a diplomatic or military debacle can wreck a Presidency and still can wreck this one. Such made President Obama possible to begin with.   

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 09:18:34 AM »

I don't see the referendum thing.  What happened in 2004?  Even if Obama's approvals were mired in the 30s like the last two incumbents to lose, he would still win if instead of facing Reagan or Clinton like those guys he were up against Palin or Cain.  Romney being seen as a more widely acceptable candidate doesn't mean the election is not a choice just that it's harder to turn people off of that choice.  But 2004 shows it can be done.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 01:03:56 PM »

The election is obviously not a referendum. The ballot will say Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, not Keep or Replace. Casting a vote for Mitt Romney is very different from casting a vote for "New President".
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 01:12:55 PM »

The ballot:

Obama

Obama Lite

Man, I want the full Obama experience please!
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 01:23:07 PM »

Good article.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 01:23:17 PM »

The election is obviously not a referendum. The ballot will say Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, not Keep or Replace. Casting a vote for Mitt Romney is very different from casting a vote for "New President".

The choice might as well be between neoliberalism (without more of that supply-side, i.e. less debt) or neoliberalism (with more of that supply-side, i.e. more debt), and its unfortunate, given that all the ideological causation for the 'Crash of 2008' and the ensuring Great Recession lies inherent in neoliberalism, that there has not been has not been something of a realignment away from it. Ironic that the very thing neoliberals hate - the state - appears to have saved it

Nevertheless, unless prosperity is more broad-based Smiley moving forward, the prognosis is grim Sad
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