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23. Limbaugh: "[Fluke's] Up At Congress Asking For Thousands Of Dollars in Birth Control Pills. ... This Law School, They Need To Establish" A "Wilt Chamberlain Scholarship, Exclusively For Women." Limbaugh later said: "Georgetown Law costs $45,000 per year, $20,000 for room and board, sex not included. So tuition and room and board is 60 grand a year, and this woman's up at Congress asking for thousands of dollars for birth control pills. This place -- I'm going to tell you what -- this college, this law school, they need to establish a new scholarship, the Wilt Chamberlain Scholarship, exclusively for women." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via Media Matters]

24. Limbaugh: "This Is More Than Just One Woman Wanting Us To Pay For Her To Have Sex All The Time." Also on the March 1 show, Limbaugh said, "The reason I'm spending a little bit of time on this is because it's about much more than just this one woman wanting us to pay for her to have sex all the time." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

25. Limbaugh: The Left Is "Build[ing] Their Case For Government-Run Health Care Around A Female Law Student ... [Who] Wants The Rest Of Us To Pay For Her Sex." Limbaugh went on to say, "[The left has] decided to build their case for government-run health care around a female law student attending an expensive law school, who not only wants a scholarship -- the Wilt Chamberlain Scholarship -- to pay her tuition, she wants the rest of us to pay for her sex." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

26. Limbaugh: "Ms. Fluke Is Asking To Be Exempted From Personal Responsibility. She Wants All The Sex That She Wants All The Time Paid For By The Rest Of Us." Later on the show, Limbaugh said, "p 'til now, individuals paid for that themselves, because what really is going on here is the end of personal responsibility. Ms. Fluke is asking to be exempted from personal responsibility. She wants all the sex that she wants all the time paid for by the rest of us. She wants no consequences for it, or to it. She wants a penalty-free, moral-free life where everybody else pays for the mistakes that she makes as a consequence of the way she lives her life." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

27. Limbaugh: "Here This Babe Goes Before Congress And Wants Thousands Of Dollars To Pay For Her Sex." Later during the show, Limbaugh said, "Here this babe goes before Congress and wants thousands of dollars to pay for her sex. Well, that's what it is. If she wants her contraception to be provided, that means she wants to have sex without consequences, with no worries, no responsibility." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

28. Limbaugh: "If This Woman Wants To Have Sex Ten Times A Day For Three Years, Fine And Dandy." While answering a caller's questions about contraception and sexually transmitted infections, Limbaugh said: "If this woman wants to have sex ten times a day for three years, fine and dandy. If she wants no consequences, let her take the steps necessary. I shouldn't have to be, and nobody else should have to be, responsible for her and guarantee her a life of no responsibility or no consequence whatsoever." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

29. Limbaugh On Fluke: "You Want To Have All The Sex You Want All Day Long, No Consequences, No Responsibility For Your Behavior." Later on the show, Limbaugh said, "Here we have a woman, Sandra Fluke materialized out of nowhere, it seems, to testify before a committee to talk about the Republicans denying women their contraceptives. ... You want to have all the sex you want all day long, no consequences, no responsibility for your behavior, why go to a Catholic college?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via Media Matters]

30. Limbaugh: Fluke "Is Happily Presenting Herself As An Immoral, Baseless, No-Purpose-To-Her-Life Woman. She Wants All The Sex In The World ... All The Time." Limbaugh later said about Fluke: "[T]he Democrats are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman. She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time. No consequences. No responsibility for her behavior." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via Media Matters]

31. Limbaugh Again Lectures Fluke: "Have You Ever Heard Of Aspirin? Have You Ever Heard Of Saying No?" Limbaugh later said, addressing Fluke, "Georgetown's a pretty expensive school. I don't buy your argument that's it unaffordable. Have you ever heard of the term 'budget'? Have you ever heard of aspirin? Have you ever heard of saying 'no'? You can't afford it, you don't buy it. You can't afford it, you don't do it." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

32. Limbaugh: "The Woman Wants Unlimited, No-Responsibility, No-Consequences Sex, And She Wants It With Contraceptives Paid For By Us." After the CNN clip was aired, Limbaugh went on to say: "They heard every word I said and they are dumbfounded and they are reeling. ... You don't need birth control if you're not having sex. The woman wants unlimited, no-responsibility, no-consequences sex, and she wants it with contraceptives paid for by us." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

33. Limbaugh Says "I Didn't Know Any Flukes" When I Was In School, Then Corrects Himself: "Every School Had A Couple Of These. Now They're Everywhere." After discussing the CNN clip, Limbaugh said, appearing to be speaking to someone off set, "Were these kinds of women around when I was in school?" Limbaugh then said: "Oh, oh, no, no, no. I didn't know any Flukes. No. Well, wait. I take it back. Yes. Every school had a couple of 'em. You know, for every 500 students, every school had a couple of these. Now they're everywhere. That's what you're getting at, right? And the two at your school, I mean even with birth control, you wouldn't go there. That's the big difference. I mean there were women that you might think you could get a disease, but you didn't care." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/1/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

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34. Limbaugh Claims Fluke Had "It Reported About Her That She's Having So Much Sex, She Can't Afford Her Birth Control Pills Anymore." While responding to a caller during the March 2 edition of his show, Limbaugh said, "I think one of the best ways to illustrate what's happening here is, we've got a news story, a woman, a law school student at Georgetown, has it reported about her that she's having so much sex, she can't afford her birth control pills anymore." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]
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35. Limbaugh Again Says Fluke "Is Having So Much Sex She Can't Pay For It." Later during his response to the caller, Limbaugh said: "So Pelosi arranges her own press conference for the woman. And the woman makes it clear, her name is Sandra Fluke, she's having so much sex she can't pay for it, and we should." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

36. Limbaugh: "The Woman Comes Forth With This, Frankly, Hilarious Claim That She's Having So Much Sex ... She Can't Afford It." Limbaugh later said, "So the woman comes forth with this, frankly, hilarious claim that she's having so much sex, and her buddies with her, that she can't afford it." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

37. Limbaugh: "Not One Person Says, Well, Did You Ever Think About Maybe Backing Off The Amount Of Sex That You Have?" Limbaugh then said, "And not one person says, well, did you ever think about maybe backing off the amount of sex that you have? Do you ever think maybe it's your responsibility for your own birth control, not everybody else's?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

38. Limbaugh Again Says Fluke Is "A Student At Georgetown Law, Who Admits To Having So Much Sex That She Can't Afford It Anymore." After learning that Obama had personally called Fluke, Limbaugh said sarcastically, "What a great guy. The president called her to make sure she's OK. What is she, 30 years old? Thirty years old, a student at Georgetown Law, who admits to have so much sex that she can't afford it anymore." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

39. Limbaugh Says He'd "Be Embarrassed" If His Daughter "Appear[ed] Before A Congressional Committee And Says She's Having So Much Sex She Can't Pay For It." Reacting to the news that Obama had told Fluke her parents should be proud of her, Limbaugh said, "OK, I'm going to button my lip on that one." He went on to say: "OK. Let me ask you a question. ... Your daughter appears before a congressional committee and says she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it and wants a new welfare program to pay for it. Would you be proud? I don't know -- I -- I'd be embarrassed." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

40. Limbaugh Again Claims That Fluke Said She Needs "Free Contraceptive, To Handle Her Sex Life -- And It's, By Her Own Admission, Quite Active." While responding to a caller, Limabugh said: "Georgetown has had this policy for a long time. People that go there understand it before they enroll. The moment the activist, Ms. Fluke, asserts her right to free contraceptive, to handle her sex life -- and it's, by her own admission, quite active." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

41. Limbaugh Reads Blog Post By Conservative Georgetown Student That Claims Fluke "Ask[ed] For The Cost Of Her Sex Life To Be Subsidized By Other Students." Also during the March 2 show, Limbaugh read from a blog post by Georgetown student Angela Morabito, titled "Sandra Fluke Does Not Speak for Me." Limbaugh read: "Ms. Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown Law student ... jump[ed] up to talk about her sex life (with the [House] Minority Leader and with the liberal media) and ask for the cost of her sex life to be subsidized by other students at a Jesuit School?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via RushLimbaugh.com]

42. Limbaugh: "It Was Sandra Fluke Who Said That She Was Having So Much Sex, She Can't Afford It." Later, Limbaugh claimed, "It was Sandra Fluke who said that she was having so much sex, she can't afford it." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

43. Limbaugh Again Claims That "By Her Own Admission ... Sandra Fluke Is Having So Much Sex That She Can't Afford It." Limbaugh later repeated the claim, saying, "By her own admission, in her own words, Sandra Fluke is having so much sex that she can't afford it. She's going broke, I believe she said." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

44. Limbaugh: "Does She Have More Boyfriends? Ha! They're Lined Up Around The Block. They Would Have Been, In My Day." Reacting to someone else in the studio, at one point, Limbaugh said: "Oh! Does she have more boyfriends? Ha! They're lined up around the block. They would have been, in my day." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

45. Limbaugh: "Maybe They're Not Having A Lot Of Sex, And Want To. But [Fluke Is] Saying That They Are Struggling Financially As A Result Of The Policy At Georgetown." Also during the March 2 broadcast, Limbaugh said: "y her own admission -- maybe they're not having a lot of sex, and want to. I don't know. But [Fluke is] saying that they are struggling financially as a result of the policy at Georgetown. Struggling financially. That's $1,000 a year for contraception that she can't afford and wants us to pay for it." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

46. Limbaugh Again Claims He Can "Quote" Fluke Saying "She's Having Sex So Frequently That She Can't Afford All The Birth Control Pills She Needs." Later, Limbaugh again said, "Use her own words. I'm not making any of it up. ... [Fluke is] struggling financially. Why? Just quote her. Her sex life is active. She's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth control pills that she needs, is what she's saying." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/2/12, via Media Matters]

And ask yourself-- whose comments were more misogynistic? Whose comments were more deserving of a firestorm / backlash? Now compare the amount of listeners Rush Limbaugh has vs. Hilary Rosen, the profile Rush Limbaugh has vs. Hilary Rosen in their respective parties, the fact that Hilary Rosen skipped MTP and will likely be keeping a much lower profile for the rest of the campaign, while Rush did not lose a millisecond of airtime. And where is Rush Limbaugh now? On the air. Gloating. (Sorry about the 4-page elephant, I started it out meaning to be one post but Rush is really verbose!)
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 12:47:05 pm »
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I think this issue will continue to be the media's focus for the next 6 months.  The only remote chance I can see people moving on is in the unlikely event someone else on TV says something stupid between now and then and we're all distracted.  I suppose it's possible but I don't honestly see that happening.

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I think this issue will continue to be the media's focus for the next 6 months.  The only remote chance I can see people moving on is in the unlikely event someone else on TV says something stupid between now and then and we're all distracted.  I suppose it's possible but I don't honestly see that happening.

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Amen. The only thing uncertain is which political operatives will have gaffes, not if there will be gaffes.

The Romney campaign has handled this gaffe well, but they can't play the Ann card too much.  She's more charismatic than her husband, but if used too much, she'll either have to stay away from the issues so much as to appear a lightweight or talk about them enough to either contradict her husband's views or embrace them enough to be tarnished as a privileged plutocrat like her husband.
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 07:43:02 pm »
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Some people think Romney and Republicans have a problem with Female voters.  They are losing to obama by 8%. 

This is just one way for Romney to win over Soccer Moms. 

But Romney has a 20% lead over obama amongst Men, so I think Romney will do very well in the election with those kind of numbers.

While Obama and democrats are preoccupied trying to win women and soccer moms, Romney will be building his lead with nascar dads, working class men, and white catholic men.  Its that simple really.
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I find the remark nauseating, because Ann was simply saying what she heard working women tell her, not that she claimed to be an expert on the world of paycheck work where you depend on that paycheck. So the attack on her for not being an expert, poorly worded, was way, way beyond the pale. Rosen is just an unthinking attack dog really, who hasn't been adequately trained to do the job effectively.

This.

I salute Rosen for unintentionally giving Romney a boost among women just when it was needed. The sooner the gender gap can be closed, the better. We only need 47-48% of women, and it won't even be close.
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Correct, Bandit. Romney seems on course to get a John McCain style 2008 free pass Angry

Or even worse, a Bush-style free pass.

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I salute Rosen for unintentionally giving Romney a boost among women just when it was needed. The sooner the gender gap can be closed, the better. We only need 47-48% of women, and it won't even be close.

Romney will not, of course, get that percentage of the female vote in a million years.
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If living a similar lifestyle is considered necessary for relating to voters, would any politician's wife meet that test? Ann Romney doesn't, but neither does Michelle Obama (being a 'working mom' when you're a white shoe lawyer and a healthcare executive is a bit different). Cindy McCain the brewery heiress didn't. Ironically, I'd say the most relatable candidate spouse we've recently had is probably Todd Palin. Which in turn begs the question of whether that's really an important criteria in picking a candidate.

What is odd about Ann Romney is that she has literally never had a non-domestic paying job before. She was a full-time student when she married at 19, and she had her first child not long after that. Even in the June Cleaver days, most women would have some kind of job in their early 20s before they got married, or sometimes up until they had kids. (My grandmother was a secretary up until she had her first kid. My grandfather was an accountant at the same company - they drove to work together every morning.)
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I'm surprised nobody's started a topic on this yet.  What are your thoughts on Rosen's comment?

This story is being hyped by the media in an attempt to help Romney. But Rosen is not an Obama strategist, so it's really not even relevant to Obama.

The media needs to just shut its mouth.

Correct, Bandit. Romney seems on course to get a John McCain style 2008 free pass Angry

Surprise, after years of Obama sucking up to them, the right-wing media still hates him. Obviously this Rosen comment is a complete non-story. As for Mitt, he's been an unemployed bum for over 5 years.
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This will be forgotten faster than Kony by next week. Let's move on.
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This will be forgotten faster than Kony by next week. Let's move on.

Hopefully the males in the Democratic Party's apparatus will keep repeating this from now until November. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

We're coming for your soccer moms with the New King of Triangulation!
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If living a similar lifestyle is considered necessary for relating to voters, would any politician's wife meet that test? Ann Romney doesn't, but neither does Michelle Obama (being a 'working mom' when you're a white shoe lawyer and a healthcare executive is a bit different). Cindy McCain the brewery heiress didn't. Ironically, I'd say the most relatable candidate spouse we've recently had is probably Todd Palin. Which in turn begs the question of whether that's really an important criteria in picking a candidate.

What is odd about Ann Romney is that she has literally never had a non-domestic paying job before. She was a full-time student when she married at 19, and she had her first child not long after that. Even in the June Cleaver days, most women would have some kind of job in their early 20s before they got married, or sometimes up until they had kids. (My grandmother was a secretary up until she had her first kid. My grandfather was an accountant at the same company - they drove to work together every morning.)

When did:
1) (making a great choice) marrying well.
2) building a great family the traditional way (countless great choices)
3) making it on your own   
4) achieving the 'american dream'
5) struggling through cancer and MS inspirationaly
become a dis-qualifier to speak or be listened to? 

Democrat culture war fail.   
 
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When did:
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2) building a great family the traditional way (countless great choices)
3) making it on your own   
4) achieving the 'american dream'
5) struggling through cancer and MS inspirationaly
become a dis-qualifier to speak or be listened to? 

Democrat culture war fail.   
 

Not a disqualifier to speak or be listened to, but the subject is economics and the person in question has literally never held a paying job.

This will be forgotten faster than Kony by next week. Let's move on.

Hopefully the males in the Democratic Party's apparatus will keep repeating this from now until November. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

We're coming for your soccer moms with the New King of Triangulation!

Sure is nineties in here.
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Sure is nineties in here.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/mitt-romney-mothers-welfare-moms_n_1426113.html

Oops.  That turned up even faster than the several days it took Romney to address Rush Limbaugh's comments (saying only that he himself would have used different language).
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When did:
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3) making it on your own  
LOL wut? I'm amused to see that conservatives consider becoming the trophy wife of a millionaire to be "making it on your own".

People talking about how being a stay at home mum is a real job... well I'd firstly be curious to know how much use the Romney's made use of maids and other hired help for the housework. Of course raising children is taxing in and of itself, but Ann Romney chose that option because she preferred it- theirs no shortage of women can't make that choice because they don't have a wealthy husband(or any husband at all).... and then theirs those mothers/couples that can't even find a job at all(whilst Ann Romney enjoyed the certainty that she would be able to secure a job if she ever wanted one).

Hilary Rosen should have phrased it better. She should have said Ann couldn't understand most women's situation because she's never needed a job... even if she had taken one it would have been a luxury preference since her income would be statistically insignificant compared to her husband's and therefore not impacted her standard of living one way or the other.

She's basically equivalent to a trust fund millionare in other words. Sure they might opt for a job or children, but the job will be out of preference rather then financial pressure, and children won't mean a financial pressure for them.
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Joementum's link raises an interesting point... what is the moral difference between a stay at home mum living off her husband and a stay at home mum living of the government? Mitt claimed that the latter is undignified and women on welfare with 2 year olds should be compelled to work... yet somehow the former is simultaneously respectable?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/mitt-romney-mothers-welfare-moms_n_1426113.html

Oops.  That turned up even faster than the several days it took Romney to address Rush Limbaugh's comments (saying only that he himself would have used different language).

I salute Romney for unintentionally giving Obama another boost among women just when it was needed.
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Joementum's link raises an interesting point... what is the moral difference between a stay at home mum living off her husband and a stay at home mum living of the government? Mitt claimed that the latter is undignified and women on welfare with 2 year olds should be compelled to work... yet somehow the former is simultaneously respectable?

The difference is that with the former, the dad can provide a role-model of how work can get you what you want.  With the latter, the dad can't because the dad ain't there.
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We're coming for your soccer moms with the New King of Triangulation!

How pray is Romney going to triangulate given that if the Earth was flat the Reactionary Party would have fallen off the right face of it?
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There are women out there who have to raise children AND go to work. Those are the people who are struggling out there and Ann Romney does not understand how it is to be in their shoes. Hillary Rosen was absolutely right, though of course she should have phrased it better.
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Let me get this straight: Is Team Obama really gearing up for this re-election battle by arguing we should return welfare to the way it was before the Clinton era reforms? Is Barack Obama really going to transform into Walter Mondale? Please pinch me!

Ann Romney has dealt with cancer and MS. I think she knows a thing or two about struggling in life. And she is just as capable as Michelle Obama when it comes to listening to the concerns of women of all backgrounds. And guess what: Ann connects with females better than Michelle, who does not even appear to enjoy being First Lady.
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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2012, 03:34:11 pm »
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Romney is not going to triangulate.  He is not anywhere near progressive on social issues.  If I can recall correctly, he said during one of the debates that he would even push for an amendment banning same-sex marriage.  He's talked about getting rid of Planned Parenthood and basically ignored a man in a wheel chair after he asked him about his position on medical marijuana.  There is not a single thing, given the rhetoric that he delivers today, that should earn him a reputation as a "moderate."  But he has one, anyway.
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