Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 19, 2013, 06:09:08 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  Election Archive
| |-+  2012 Elections (Moderators: Mr. Morden, Bacon King, Big DaddyTX)
| | |-+  Make an Obama/Romney trend map
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Make an Obama/Romney trend map  (Read 1202 times)
Nichlemn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1098


View Profile
« on: April 05, 2012, 09:11:33 pm »
Ignore

Quick attempt by me, mostly an agglomeration of Romney's primary results, home state effects, the theory that previous large swings would regress to the mean and some polling.

« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 09:17:13 pm by Nichlemn »Logged
5280/East California
MagneticFree
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2581
United States


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 09:24:55 pm »
Ignore

Pink is trending Romney, and Blue is trending Obama? Or the other way?
Logged

Paul/Rubio 2016!
I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head
morgieb
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3053
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 09:26:36 pm »
Ignore

Pink is trending Romney, and Blue is trending Obama? Or the other way?

Looking at the map it's the other way round I'd imagine.
Logged
5280/East California
MagneticFree
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2581
United States


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 09:30:59 pm »
Ignore

Pink is trending Romney, and Blue is trending Obama? Or the other way?

Looking at the map it's the other way round I'd imagine.
I guess Oklahoma and some of the south states trend DEM because Romney isn't conservative enough?
Logged

Paul/Rubio 2016!
Nichlemn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1098


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 09:37:31 pm »
Ignore

Pink is trending Romney, and Blue is trending Obama? Or the other way?

Looking at the map it's the other way round I'd imagine.
I guess Oklahoma and some of the south states trend DEM because Romney isn't conservative enough?

Because he's a Massachusetts country club Mormon who is squishy on social issues, whereas McCain had his military bona fides. It's not Republicans voting for Obama in droves, it's lower turnout plus some swingy white Democrats returning to voting Democratic for President.
Logged
Senator Snowstalker
Snowstalker
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11276
Cuba


Political Matrix
E: -6.97, S: -2.96

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 09:44:15 pm »
Ignore

Quick attempt by me, mostly an agglomeration of Romney's primary results, home state effects, the theory that previous large swings would regress to the mean and some polling.



My map is rather similar, though I'd say that the Dakotas would trend R (North Dakota just had an oil boom and is growing quickly), as would New Mexico. Connecticut, Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah would trend more R. That would be offset by, say, Pennsylvania and Maine trending D.
Logged



Democrats are out of power
Across that great wide ocean
Reagan's president elect
Fascist god in motion
Jayhawker
tmthforu94
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16066
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 10:13:51 pm »
Ignore

Despite what some polls currently say, I think it'll be pretty close on Election Day. I'm actually starting to really think Obama could win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.



30% is about a 1-3% shift, not too much. 40% is a 4-7% shift, and 60% is 7%+. There's probably a couple mistakes, I just didn't catch them.
Logged

A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.
-Jackie Robinson

Tmthforu94

You are very kind my Friend. Thank you and God bless the people like You.
Nichlemn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1098


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 10:28:37 pm »
Ignore

Despite what some polls currently say, I think it'll be pretty close on Election Day. I'm actually starting to really think Obama could win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.



30% is about a 1-3% shift, not too much. 40% is a 4-7% shift, and 60% is 7%+. There's probably a couple mistakes, I just didn't catch them.

Note that I'm looking for a trend (swing relative to the national vote) map, not a swing map. All trends need to cancel each other out, and that doesn't seem possible with only nine states trending Obama.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 11:00:53 pm by Nichlemn »Logged
Jayhawker
tmthforu94
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16066
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 10:37:21 pm »
Ignore

Despite what some polls currently say, I think it'll be pretty close on Election Day. I'm actually starting to really think Obama could win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.



30% is about a 1-3% shift, not too much. 40% is a 4-7% shift, and 60% is 7%+. There's probably a couple mistakes, I just didn't catch them.

Note that this is a trend (swing relative to the national vote) map, not a swing map. All trends need to cancel each other out, and that doesn't seem possible with only nine states trending Obama.
You're correct. Just pretend it's a swing map, then. Wink
Logged

A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.
-Jackie Robinson

Tmthforu94

You are very kind my Friend. Thank you and God bless the people like You.
Torie
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24644
United States


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 10:41:09 pm »
Ignore

A robot can do swing maps from a national baseline. Humans need to do trend maps.
Logged


Torie's secret highway
Beet
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 14869


Political Matrix
E: -2.52, S: -4.43

View Profile
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 11:03:34 pm »
Ignore

Here's mine.



My reasoning is similar to Nichlemn, but I think the Plains states have an anti-incumbency bias, and some of Obama's "home-region" advantage from 2008 wears off. Florida is a wild-card, but I have a suspicion that Obama under-performed there in 2008. O/c, if Romney picks Rubio then all bets are off.
Logged

15 rounds for the elites but 7 for the people. Interesting.

Markit Credit Data
JerryBrown2010
KyleGordon2016
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 743
United States


P P
View Profile
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 11:39:05 pm »
Ignore

Uselectionatlas Poll Map + Obama Vs Romney RCP Avarege = Trend Map



Obama +4.1%

This map shows that Obama is actually polling a point or so higher then 4.1% above Romney.

Logged
opebo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 44911


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 10:39:18 am »
Ignore

So all that really matters is this:



Because any Romney trends won't go far enough to flip PA, IA, etc., only NH (and of course IN/NC/FL).  If the Dem trend continues in CO/VA/OH then all is well.

Logged

assume the laws of physics don't apply normally in Oklahoma

ModerateCoward
seatown
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3918


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2012, 01:08:51 pm »
Ignore

So all that really matters is this:



Because any Romney trends won't go far enough to flip PA, IA, etc., only NH (and of course IN/NC/FL).  If the Dem trend continues in CO/VA/OH then all is well.


I think CO/VA could go either way on a trend map, at this point. Too many rich people.
Logged
Formerly Californian Tony
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 25183
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P P

View Profile
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2012, 02:19:55 pm »
Ignore

It should look something like that.

Logged



Thank you so much, USF.



"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."

Jon Stewart
opebo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 44911


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2012, 02:00:27 pm »
Ignore

So all that really matters is this:



Because any Romney trends won't go far enough to flip PA, IA, etc., only NH (and of course IN/NC/FL).  If the Dem trend continues in CO/VA/OH then all is well.


I think CO/VA could go either way on a trend map, at this point. Too many rich people.

Really?  Well obviously there's very little room for Obama to survive if either of those trends away from him - particularly Colorado - but happily there's little indication of that so far.
Logged

assume the laws of physics don't apply normally in Oklahoma

Nichlemn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1098


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2012, 06:00:17 pm »
Ignore

So all that really matters is this:



Because any Romney trends won't go far enough to flip PA, IA, etc., only NH (and of course IN/NC/FL).  If the Dem trend continues in CO/VA/OH then all is well.


I think CO/VA could go either way on a trend map, at this point. Too many rich people.

Really?  Well obviously there's very little room for Obama to survive if either of those trends away from him - particularly Colorado - but happily there's little indication of that so far.

The swing is the main factor in who wins though. If Obama wins or loses by 10, all those states could trend towards or away from him respectively, but it wouldn't matter.
Logged
I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head
morgieb
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3053
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 01:14:24 am »
Ignore

« Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 01:17:00 am by morgieb »Logged
ModerateCoward
seatown
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3918


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 01:40:58 am »
Ignore

So all that really matters is this:



Because any Romney trends won't go far enough to flip PA, IA, etc., only NH (and of course IN/NC/FL).  If the Dem trend continues in CO/VA/OH then all is well.


I think CO/VA could go either way on a trend map, at this point. Too many rich people.

Really?  Well obviously there's very little room for Obama to survive if either of those trends away from him - particularly Colorado - but happily there's little indication of that so far.
I'm not saying they will, it would be more of a toss-up which way they will trend. But Ohio will trend to Obama, and if Colorado trends to Romney it won't be by more than 1% against national average, and Nevada is out of reach. I'd say Obama is fairly safe unless he loses big(>1%) in the popular vote.

This is actually possible. If Ohio trends over 2% to Obama and Colorado trends 1% to Romney(not completely unrealistic).
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
Forums Directory