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« on: April 16, 2012, 03:35:50 am »
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has had the most radical shift in their voting record?

Here are some candidates:

Bill Nelson - he was essentially a boll weevil during his house tenure but as a senator his voting record became sharply more liberal and after winning re-election in 2006, his ADA ratings have been in the 90-100 range.

Richard Schweiker - he was a liberal republican throughout much of his senate career a la Javits or Brooke. Then after Reagan lost the nomination in 1976, his voting record became indistinguishable from any other conservative republican

John Anderson - he had a very conservative voting record throughout the 1960s and even offered an amendment to declare the country was a christian nation. In the 1970s, his voting record moved to where he was somewhat of a progressive republican. After a weak primary showing in 1978, he retired in 1980.

John Buchanan - he started his career out as a young ultraconservative southern Republican. Then he started attending a black liberation church and his voting record moved to where his voting record was more liberal than most southern democrats. He lost renomination in the early 80s to a bircher and currently works for People for the American Way.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 04:16:38 am »
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Lieberman?
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 04:26:47 am »
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IMHO - a lot of southern Democrats of the past. Populists and, frequently, ardent New Dealers in 1933-34 and then - conservatives and, frequently, strong racists, 20 years later)))
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 04:32:11 am »
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How 'bout McCain? He was the 'maverick' for most of his career and even flirted with the idea of switching parties. Now he's routinely ranked as one of the most conservative Senators.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 07:51:26 am »
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IMHO - a lot of southern Democrats of the past. Populists and, frequently, ardent New Dealers in 1933-34 and then - conservatives and, frequently, strong racists, 20 years later)))

I'm trying to think of someone who comes to mind. Would Carl Vinson or Wright Patman fit that mold?
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 10:11:45 am »
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I'm trying to think of someone who comes to mind. Would Carl Vinson or Wright Patman fit that mold?

Patman - no. He remained populist, though he signed "Southern Manifesto". But people like Rankin and Colmer in Mississippi  - yes. They were not especially conservative at the beginning of FDR presidency (though they were not flaming liberals either, but still generally - supported New Deal). By 1950 both were almost perfect conservatives. Even Harry Bird was not AS conservative in the beginning of his Senate career as he was later. The same with Baring in Nevada (not even South) and some other...
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 11:31:35 am »
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Al Gore of 1984 vs Al Gore of 1992 vs Al Gore of 2000.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 03:00:59 pm »
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Al Gore of 1984 vs Al Gore of 1992 vs Al Gore of 2000.

Gore's transformation I think is slightly overstated. His voting record was always somewhat liberal by southern democrat standards. Here are his Americans For Democratic Action Ratings (ADA):

1977 45
1978 65
1979 74
1980 50
1981 70
1982 70
1983 65
1984 65
1986 70
1987 60
1988 60
1989 55
1990 78
1991 75
1992 60
Average: 64.5
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 05:08:26 pm »
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How 'bout McCain? He was the 'maverick' for most of his career and even flirted with the idea of switching parties. Now he's routinely ranked as one of the most conservative Senators.
I was thinking of McCain's switch in the other direction, since his maverick phase didn't start until his second term in the Senate.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 07:35:43 pm »
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Al Gore of 1984 vs Al Gore of 1992 vs Al Gore of 2000.

Gore's transformation I think is slightly overstated. His voting record was always somewhat liberal by southern democrat standards. Here are his Americans For Democratic Action Ratings (ADA):

1977 45
1978 65
1979 74
1980 50
1981 70
1982 70
1983 65
1984 65
1986 70
1987 60
1988 60
1989 55
1990 78
1991 75
1992 60
Average: 64.5

Yeah, he only really became liberal following him becoming the Veep.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 04:20:13 am »
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Zell Miller also comes to mind. I suppose he never officially switched?
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 04:21:57 am »
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Zell Miller also comes to mind. I suppose he never officially switched?

Miller had already drifted far to the right before he was appointed to the senate.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 06:01:46 am »
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Zell Miller also comes to mind. I suppose he never officially switched?

He remains a member of the Democratic Party and caucused with the Democrats in the Senate, but he was the keynote speaker at the Republican convention in 2004 (having previously keynoted the '92 Democratic convention, hahaha), and in 2008 endorsed McCain for President and Chambliss for the Senate.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 06:36:29 am »
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Zell Miller also comes to mind. I suppose he never officially switched?

Miller had already drifted far to the right before he was appointed to the senate.

Not sure. A year AFTER being appointed to the Senate - yes..
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2012, 07:22:14 pm »
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Gillibrand definitely swung to the left when she became Senator.

Evan Bayh pretended to be a reasonable Democrat in 2005 when he was thinking of running for President. Then later in his term after he decided not to run for re-election he showed his true right-wing colors. I think he was to the right of even Ben Nelson his final year. No surprise that he ended up as a Fox News "Democrat". Meanwhile his lobbyist wife is doing quite well.  I don't know why such a HP was so popular on this forum.
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2012, 08:12:17 pm »
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Gillibrand definitely swung to the left when she became Senator.

Evan Bayh pretended to be a reasonable Democrat in 2005 when he was thinking of running for President. Then later in his term after he decided not to run for re-election he showed his true right-wing colors. I think he was to the right of even Ben Nelson his final year. No surprise that he ended up as a Fox News "Democrat". Meanwhile his lobbyist wife is doing quite well.  I don't know why such a HP was so popular on this forum.
Gillibrand-She was in a swing district while in the US House so she had to vote like she was voting then. I think she was always liberal on social issues but on economic issues she swung to the left probably once she became a US Senator. Remember she was a Blue Dog Dem in her US House tenure.

Evan Bayh-He was kind of a centrist while Governor of Indiana from what I read about him on wikipedia. He did vote for Stimulus and Obama Care while in the US Senate. He did denounce both George W. Bush and Barack Obama's fiscal policy's though saying they both spent too much money and he's right about that in my own opinion.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2012, 09:09:39 pm »
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Sonny Montgomery (D-MS) went from voting with the Democrats 70% in 1992 to 30% by the time he retired.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2012, 10:48:31 pm »
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Sonny Montgomery (D-MS) went from voting with the Democrats 70% in 1992 to 30% by the time he retired.

Sonny Montgomery was always very conservative for a democrat. In fact by the 1990s his voting record was much less conservative than it was earlier in his career, when he getting ACU ratings in the 70s and 80s.

If you're talking Mississippi pols, a better example is Whitten. During the first 30 years of his career he was an uber reactionary dem in the mold of someone like Rankin or Colmer and his ADA ratings were often in single digits. By the end of his career, his ADA ratings were around 50.
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2012, 03:05:31 am »
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Sonny Montgomery (D-MS) went from voting with the Democrats 70% in 1992 to 30% by the time he retired.

Sonny Montgomery was always very conservative for a democrat. In fact by the 1990s his voting record was much less conservative than it was earlier in his career, when he getting ACU ratings in the 70s and 80s.

If you're talking Mississippi pols, a better example is Whitten. During the first 30 years of his career he was an uber reactionary dem in the mold of someone like Rankin or Colmer and his ADA ratings were often in single digits. By the end of his career, his ADA ratings were around 50.

Whitten was an Appropriation chairman and wanted to continue be it. When chairmanship began to be decided by party caucus in chamber, not simple seniority, he began to move to the center to better reflect prevailing caucus mood. Montgomery was always a conservative (in 60th - 70th he routinely got conservative rating over 90), but also became "somewhat more moderate" (not so much as Whitten) in 90th. He was challenged by liberals for chairmanship of Veterans committee some times, but was never defeated (may be because of personal biography)
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