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« on: April 16, 2012, 06:23:39 pm »
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Collins (ME) and Pryor (AR) were apparently the only two to cross party lines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/buffett-rule-vote-fails-senate_n_1429657.html
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 06:49:31 pm »
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Good for Collins. I'm disappointed in Pryor.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 06:55:55 pm »
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That 10% approval rating speaks for itself.

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 07:08:56 pm »
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We really need filibuster reform.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 07:27:41 pm »
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Quote from: Snowstalker on April 16, 2012, 07:08:56 pm
We really need filibuster reform.

Would/Did you support such a thing during the judicial filibusters of the Bush years?
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 07:31:14 pm »
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Quote from: Snowstalker on April 16, 2012, 07:08:56 pm
We really need filibuster reform.

The Senate used to be an Honorable Body but the Republican Party hasn't always been as dangerous as it is nowadays, so keep the filibuster
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 07:42:20 pm »
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Pryor, WAC.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 08:06:01 pm »
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Gotta love that 3/5 supermajority requirement

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00065

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Vote Counts:   
YEAs    51
NAYs    45
Not Voting 4
Result: Rejected
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 08:12:38 pm »
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Gotta love that 3/5 supermajority requirement

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YEAs    51
NAYs    45
Not Voting 4
Result: Rejected

While I simultaneously agree and disagree with you in principle (to clarify, agree about the filibuster, disagree about the Buffet rule), it doesn't matter in this case, because the present composition of the House would not approve the Buffet rule if you threatened to poison them.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 08:21:59 pm »
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Given what would happen in the House anyway, this bill does not demonstrate what would happen if the filibuster would go away, as it ought to.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 12:44:15 am »
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Did they even talk about the impact of raising capital gains taxes on the economy?   If the debate just amounted to the stale soundbites of class interest politics as described in that article, that is truly depressing.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 12:48:25 am »
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The fillibuster must go.

Also Pryor needs a primary challenge. He's got no excuse. Even Ben Nelson voted for this.

Lieberman (who didn't bother to show up to vote) was opposed. Did anyone believe that crap about those who supported the primary challenge against him being one issue voters?

Scott Brown and Kirk aren't exactly moderates.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am »
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Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 01:30:42 am »
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Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 17, 2012, 12:48:25 am
The fillibuster must go.

Also Pryor needs a primary challenge. He's got no excuse. Even Ben Nelson voted for this.

Lieberman (who didn't bother to show up to vote) was opposed. Did anyone believe that crap about those who supported the primary challenge against him being one issue voters?

Scott Brown and Kirk aren't exactly moderates.

Lieberman was a douche since he was first elected and Nelson will vote party line as he fades into retirement.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 01:58:23 am »
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Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 17, 2012, 12:48:25 am
Also Pryor needs a primary challenge. He's got no excuse. Even Ben Nelson voted for this.

I can forgive Pryor. I understand why he voted that way; he's trying to avoid this.

Its hard to imagine a Pryor losing in Arkansas, but he doesn't have as favorable an electorate as his father did.

Maybe Halter should run against him!
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Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2012, 05:31:54 pm »
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Quote from: Vosem on April 17, 2012, 05:49:09 am
Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
Wait, what? In what world would running on opposition to a popular idea be good?
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2012, 05:37:42 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Alfred F. Jones on April 17, 2012, 05:31:54 pm
Quote from: Vosem on April 17, 2012, 05:49:09 am
Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
Wait, what? In what world would running on opposition to a popular idea be good?

A world where total subservience to moneyed interests would be considered a positive good, presumably.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2012, 05:40:57 pm »
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Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
Wait, what? In what world would running on opposition to a popular idea be good?

A world where total subservience to moneyed interests would be considered a positive good, presumably.

The way the idea of taxing the extraordinarily wealthy seems to upset some people (who presumably wouldn't be impacted by the tax) always amazes me.
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2012, 06:26:18 pm »
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Of Course the Buffett Rule failed. We tried it already; its called the Alternative Minimum Tax.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2012, 07:44:01 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Alfred F. Jones on April 17, 2012, 05:31:54 pm
Quote from: Vosem on April 17, 2012, 05:49:09 am
Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
Wait, what? In what world would running on opposition to a popular idea be good?

I suspect that in Vosem's "better world",  the Buffet Rule would not be so popular.  The Buffett Rule is a gimmick first and foremost. Rather than enacting an alternative Alternative Minimum Tax, we need to simplify the tax code.
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2012, 08:11:53 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Alfred F. Jones on April 17, 2012, 05:31:54 pm
Quote from: Vosem on April 17, 2012, 05:49:09 am
Quote from: blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through on April 17, 2012, 12:58:39 am
Oh yeah Elizabeth Warren's going to get some campaign ads out of this.

True, unfortunately. In a better world Scott Brown would get to use this in his advertisements ("Look! I opposed the Buffet Rule and Warren supports it! Vote for me!"), but Massachusetts politics doesn't quite work that way...with hope, yet.
Wait, what? In what world would running on opposition to a popular idea be good?

Haha, sorry. I meant that in a better world the Buffet Rule would be quite unpopular.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2012, 09:52:30 am »
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anyone know of a good summary of what parts of the tax law this would have changed?  I'm a bit confused about it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2012, 12:58:39 pm »
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Still, a poll showing 51% of millionaires approve of their taxes being raised is quite impressive even if the sample size is so low.
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2012, 01:20:35 pm »
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no worries, should be at the top of Gov Christie's platform.
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