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« on: April 17, 2012, 06:50:56 PM »

USA:
1. Obama
(gap)
2. Clinton
3. GHW Bush
(gap)
4. Dubya

UK, ugh.

1. Blair
2. Brown
3. Major
4. Cameron

France

1. My teddy bear
2. A bunch of stuff
(gap)
3. Sarkozy?
4. Mitt'rrand
5. Chirac

PMs

1. Fillon
2. Jospin
3. Raffarin
4. Bérégovoy
5. Ballamou
6. Juppé
7. Galouzeau

Australia:

1. Keating
2. Gillard
3. KRudd
(huge gap)
4. Howard

Canada:

1. Chretien
2. Martin
3. Campbell
4. Mulroney
5. cancer
(gap)
9999. Harper

Germany:

1. Schröder?
2. Merkel
3. Kohl

Russia:

1. A Vodka bottle
2. Yeltsin
3. Vlad's clone
4. The original Vlad
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 07:51:14 AM »

France

1. My teddy bear
2. A bunch of stuff
(gap)
3. Sarkozy?
4. Mitt'rrand
5. Chirac

For God's sake, you're not serious ?

Why, yes I am.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 01:21:47 PM »

France

1. My teddy bear
2. A bunch of stuff
(gap)
3. Sarkozy?
4. Mitt'rrand
5. Chirac

For God's sake, you're not serious ?

Why, yes I am.

Well, then, either you've not followed french politics attentively enough or you policy views are not exactly what I thought they were. I won't defend Mitterrand or Chirac here but they both come miles ahead of Sarkozy in every aspect.

I don't think I've ever hidden it from you or anybody that my views on a lot of matters, especially fiscal/labour relations and so forth are pretty right-wing by French standards. And while it may not fit in with my general centrism (at least to me, you probably think I'm right-wing or something) and is in part irrational, I hate Mitt'rrand. I guess we'll need to agree to disagree on this, though next time I'll do without the fairly insulting "you've not followed french politics attentively enough" comment.

On a side note, while a good argument could be made for Mitt'rrand being superior to Sarko, but Chirac? What did he do except the Iraq shenanigans and escape going to jail for 12 years? Even an hyperactive moron like Sarko is better than a do-nothing guy who smiled a lot.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 06:10:41 PM »

I obviously didn't mean to insult you. I think that, even though you're actually more French than I am, it's not the same to follow french politics from another country or to hear the political news every day. I don't follow italian politics as much as a resident italian would if he were as interested in politics as I am. That doesn't make me an ignorant in italian politics. I don't see what's insulting.

I'm pretty piss-poor at reading comments over the internet, but I understand you better now. I interpreted your comment in a more insulting or derogatory manner, in the typical style of "I LIVE HERE U DON'T U KAN'T SPEAK ABUT MY KUNTRY!111".

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Of course Sarkozy is a moron. Of course I don't like him. I'd quicker vote for a teddy bear than Sarkozy, and the mere fact that I'll probably actually bothering voting for Hollande over Sarkozy on May 6 (unless Hollande pisses me off, which is still likely, but whatevsky) should tell you more than enough about my opinions towards Sarkozy. And despite the fact that his brand of xenophobic national-populism is terrible and despite the fact that his taxation policy is horrible, I still think that he was at least somewhat committed to reforms and changes which are necessary for France (and which Hollande will probably be forced to do, in a particularly unpleasant wake up call for all involved, even though right now he's in the good' ole Guy Mollet mode) on stuff like labour relations, retirement and competitiveness -- and this is perhaps why I view Sarkozy as preferable to Chirac even if Sarkozy is a still a terrible human being whose government's negatives far outweigh the negatives. I know that we've agreed to disagree on those points, but I reiterate my point that my views on economic and social welfare issues pertaining to France are significantly to the right of the PS and of your personal views.

I don't feel like detailing my views on Mitt'rrand, because it's not something I feel strongly about and which is not my top priority right now (a 8.5 CGPA is my sole priority). But, yeah, he did good but he did good despite himself. 1981-83 was a disaster, the Fabius austerity was another disaster, post-1991 was an unmitigated disaster, the government was as corrupt as the PLQ, and the man in question was an horrible human being. But I digress. I don't really care that much about whether or not Sarko is better than Mitt'rrand, he probably isn't but there's a chance he probably is but after all, I don't give a sh**t. All that I know is that all French Presidents since 1969 have been horrible, and this trend will continue into the near future.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2012, 06:51:18 AM »

We can agree to disagree, of course. Especially if you have tons of work (believe me, I have come to reconsider the notion of "being overwhelmed by work" in the past week). Tongue Still, I have to restate that Sarko's "reforms" have been far from what you'd consider to be the sound and necessary reforms any government should do. It's not like they have gone that far after all (what does Sarko's super duper ultra-necessary pensions reform do ? It fixes the problem for barely a decade. What will we do at this point, raise the retirement age again ?), they have just made the country more unfair. They obviously haven't fixed the budget, as a quick look at numbers do. Really, I don't see how the majority (I understand you'd agree on one or two) of Sarko's reform could be considered as a step in the right direction by anyone except a neoliberal.

Don't ask me why I care enough about this trite debate to answer... but what gives. Yeah, I know a lot of his reforms have sucked. Yeah, the retirement age will need to be raised again. Every other country has it at 65, and the way the world is going with deficits and debts, that is where it's gonna go in France, sooner or later. I wish the left would stop its stupid demagogy on the issue, but I don't really care. Stuff like labour advantages/regimes speciaux needed to be changed. Some of the 'necessary' reforms are unfair, but the world sucks. We'll agree to disagree, and while you should realize that I hate Sarkozy - and again, I'll vote for Hollande over him - I'm not a member of the Sarkozy-is-the-Antichrist club. I have a hard time convincing people of my ideas, but people have a hard time convincing me of theirs.

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I won't deny that Mitt'rrand didn't bankrupt the country, though his entire 1981-1983 policy played a significant role in worsening the crisis and was by all accounts a terrible policy which only an idiot with his head in the sand could have implemented at that point. As for corruption, your argument might have shut me up if I was a right-winger, but I still don't think I'm a right-winger. All French parties are corrupt. I hate them all for it.
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