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« on: April 18, 2012, 01:36:58 am »
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 01:51:03 am »
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Well let's look at the checklist:

-More workplace drug testing: Inherently I don't see this as a problem since I can understand why most businesses wouldn't want to be employing a meth addict. The problem with such testing is it acts like anyone who had a joint in the last 30 days is equivalent to a meth addict, if most employers just ignored testing positive for marijuana (as many actually do), it'd be a reasonable policy.

-"Zero tolerance" laws: Yeah actually read the article, it's about drugged driving.

-Prescription only status for pseudoephedrine/ephedrine products: I don't agree with this, but I'll note that most over the counter cough medicine already doesn't included these ingredients anymore, and truthfully while I think these type of laws are stupid making it prescription only is more logical than things like that grandmother in Indiana who was fined for buying a ton of cough syrup when many of her grandkids all caught a cold despite the fact there was no warning that she was going over the legal limit.

-Those stupid TV ads: Yes, this is stupid, and indefensible. Someone on another forum once made a valid point by asking how many people could be made clean if the money for them was diverted to rehab programs instead.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 02:00:41 am »
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..and that's just what he is ADDING to the War on Drugs.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 02:13:02 am »
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..and that's just what he is ADDING to the War on Drugs.

But he put an end to the raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 02:20:02 am »
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..and that's just what he is ADDING to the War on Drugs.

But he put an end to the raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.

False. This one wasn't even a dispensary any more. That was a pretty blatant lie by Obama.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/former-oakland-medical-pot-dispensary-raided-by-federal-agents.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 02:56:05 am »
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..and that's just what he is ADDING to the War on Drugs.

But he put an end to the raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
Last I heard, he was doing more raids per day than W did...I'm 'bout to go out and smoke (tobacco), but I'll look for a cite when I get back.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 03:08:45 am »
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With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst."
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 03:11:26 am »
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"President Obama keeps saying he is open to a discussion but he never seems willing to actually have that discussion, said LEAP Director Neil Franklin said in a press release.

That's really the part that bothers me the most. You want to expand stupid drug policies, okay, sure, but at least consistently say that's what you're going to do. Obama constantly talks about how we need to have more "serious discussions" on drug policy, yet we never do.

And as someone who has often relied on pseudoephedrine as a decongestant in the past, I find that particularly stupid, but whatever. All of this is going to come to a head eventually. These drug policies cannot seriously last much longer, in the grand scheme of things. Right? ..right?
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 03:22:04 am »
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I don't understand why Obama keeps running to the center.  I know that's the MO of most politicians with an election looming, but sheesh, enough is enough.  I want to like Obama, I really do.  He seems like a sensible man 75% of the time, but then he does crap like this.  Maybe we'll get the real Obama after the election, but I won't be holding my breath....or even contemplate voting for him like I did in '08.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 03:28:11 am »
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Yet another issue where there's no one to blame but Barack Obama. Funny how all of his flip flops have been to the right. Too bad his opponent is so terrible and actually makes him look like a honest straight-shooter. The election is between two candidates who are liars who have flip flopped to the right.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 03:29:31 am »
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I really doubt that Obama personally endorses those policies they are written by ONDCP not Obama. I think he just can't challenge them publicly or privately. Also I'd like to apologize for Gil Kerlowiske, not sure how such an anti-weed man could have been head of Seattle PD.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 03:33:38 am »
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I really doubt that Obama personally endorses those policies they are written by ONDCP not Obama. I think he just can't challenge them publicly or privately. Also I'd like to apologize for Gil Kerlowiske, not sure how such an anti-weed man could have been head of Seattle PD.

This is a pretty obvious flip flop by the Obama administration. He nominated Bush administration hardliner Michele Leonhart to head the DEA. She says the more kids who die in the drug war, the better it's going. Change was just a lying slogan to get us to vote for a right-winger.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 04:22:45 am »
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From the latest issue of The Economist, p. 44-46

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...In the so-called Ogden memo of 2009, the Justice Department advised its lawyers to leave small-beer marijuana enforcement to the states and focus on graver crimes.

But then, last year, the administration issued the Cole memo (these things are named after the deputy attorneys-general who draft them).  It seemed, in dense verbiage, to suggest that the Odgen memo had been misunderstood, and that federal prosecutors should indeed go after the cannabis trade, especially if they suspect that serious money is  being made.

The overall effect has been to confuse everybody and leave matters entirely at the discretion of individual prosecutors.  Thus there are few signs of federal aggression in New Mexico, Rhode Island or Vermont, for instance.  Rather, the crackdown appears to be occurring in just six federal districts--the four in California, and those in Montana and Colorado.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 04:23:00 am »
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I really doubt that Obama personally endorses those policies they are written by ONDCP not Obama. I think he just can't challenge them publicly or privately. Also I'd like to apologize for Gil Kerlowiske, not sure how such an anti-weed man could have been head of Seattle PD.

This is a pretty obvious flip flop by the Obama administration. He nominated Bush administration hardliner Michele Leonhart to head the DEA. She says the more kids who die in the drug war, the better it's going. Change was just a lying slogan to get us to vote for a right-winger.
Well change is a lulzy slogan now that we had Obama administration for over 3 years. But you have to realize that he doesn't have full control over the DEA. Of course there is a lot he should be criticized for but this, in this thread in my opinion is just reflexive shouting. You have to realize that if the press found out about Obama meddling with DEA strategy behind the scenes to make it less "war-like" it would have the same political fallout as him favoring legalization of marijuana. I think we will know real positions of Obama(not just about War on drugs) after 2014 midterms when Democrats should pick enough low hanging fruits to hopefully be able to pass something, and Obama can sign executive orders without worrying about political fallout. There is also possibility that he actually changed his mind, or that DNC received enough money from lobbyists that we won't see the real president until he is out office. I know this sounds like I am defending Obama, I just think a lot of this criticism is pointless, but if I could vote I'd vote for Rocky.
If Obama doesn't change his position, we need some Paul-like candidate that would turnout the youngs and hopefully hijack the democratic party with real left-wing with the entire party going paultarded if the party doesn't move back to the left over the next four years(as it should, I hope they understand the demographic trends as well as you and I do). If we get Cuomo elected than we are really f[inks]ed until 2024 (2020), and by that point new trends may be in play.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 08:57:37 am »
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Well somebody has been inconveniencing me by shutting down dispensaries all over the place. It is very annoying.
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 09:05:07 am »
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gotta love/hate liberals contriving defenses on things like this!
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