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« on: April 18, 2012, 12:39:48 pm »
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Top worst, bottom "best".

The ideologies to be ranked:
Nazism,  Slavocracy(ala Confederate States), theocracy(ala Afghanistan), Stalinist Communism, Agrarian primitivism(ala Pol Pot's Cambodia), Anarchism(ala Somalia), feudalist aristocratism(ala 19th century Russia), liberal democratic capitalism(ala modern America). Feel free to add others if you wish

Personally I would rank them:
Agrarian primitivsm
Nazism
Slavocracy
Theocracy
Feudalist aristocratism
Stalinist communism
Anarchism
Liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 12:56:17 pm »
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I don't like any of them much but here goes...

Nazism
Agrarian primitivism
Theocracy
Feudal aristocratism
Slavocracy
Anarchism
Liberal democratic capitalism
Stalinist communism

I'd probably be killed in the first three.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 02:08:15 pm »
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Agrarian primitivsm
Stalinist communism
Anarchism
Theocracy
Nazism
Slavocracy
Liberal democratic capitalism
Feudalist aristocratism
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 02:58:18 pm »
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Nazism
Slavocracy
Theocracy
Feudalist aristocratism
Stalinist communism
Agrarian primitivsm
Anarchism
Liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 03:51:07 pm »
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absolutely horrible:
Nazism
(Khmer Rogue style) Agrarian primitivism
Stalinist Communism
(Taliban style) theocracy
slavocracy

may be better than the likely alternative:
feudalist aristocratism
anarchism (in terms of an actual ideology or social organization as opposed to rival violent factionalism)
liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 03:55:15 pm »
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Just realized agrarian primitivism means Pol Pot style and not actual primitivism. Ick.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 03:56:46 pm »
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Taking all of these ideologies out of their historic contexts of past abuses:

National Socialism
Stalinism
Juche
Slavocracy1
Voluntaryism
Feudalism
Theocracy2
Fascism3
Agrarian Socialism
Marxist-Leninism
Anarchism4
Pancasila
Kemalism
Liberal Democracy5
Communism6


1 If slaves were generally treated well I'd rank it better than feudalism.
2 Depending on the religion's interpretation it might be anywhere here.
3 Depending on policy this might be anywhere above liberal democracy.
4 Depending on its form, this could be in any rank better than Stalinism.
5 I honestly consider this ideology to be alright - just a wee bit mislead.
6 If this were non-Leninist, it might rank anywhere below Voluntaryism.

Many ideologies can be ranked. I picked the first fifteen that came to mind.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 03:58:37 pm »
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Quote from: rejoice despite the fact this world will kill you on April 18, 2012, 03:55:15 pm
Just realized agrarian primitivism means Pol Pot style and not actual primitivism. Ick.
If you don't have a problem with Stalinism, is your problem with the Khmer Rogue that they were agrarian rather than industrial?
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 04:05:39 pm »
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Quote from: shua, gm on April 18, 2012, 03:58:37 pm
Quote from: rejoice despite the fact this world will kill you on April 18, 2012, 03:55:15 pm
Just realized agrarian primitivism means Pol Pot style and not actual primitivism. Ick.
If you don't have a problem with Stalinism, is your problem with the Khmer Rogue that they were agrarian rather than industrial?

I wear glasses and go to university, so I'm definitely going to end up dead.

I don't like Stalinism much either, but at least the standard of living would be relatively good. In industrial areas anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 04:56:15 pm »
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Crap, that's what agrarian primitivism was? I thought it was more of Jefferson's "yeoman farmer".
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 05:51:32 pm »
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Agrarian primitivsm
Nazism
Slavocracy
Stalinist communism
Theocracy
Feudalist aristocratism
Anarchism
(HUGE gap)
Liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 07:39:49 pm »
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Agrarian Primitivism
Theocracy
Stalinist
Nazism
Slavocracy
Feudalist Aristocratism
Anarchism
Liberal Democratic Capitalism
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 08:30:12 pm »
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Agrarian primitivism
Nazism
Theocracy
Slavocracy
Stalinist communism
Feudalist aristocratism
Anarchism
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 09:10:25 pm »
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Quote from: Snowstalker on April 18, 2012, 04:56:15 pm
Crap, that's what agrarian primitivism was? I thought it was more of Jefferson's "yeoman farmer".
Yeah, really agrarian primitivism isn't typically a term used for the Khmer Rogue.  Agrarian Communism is the more common term, though that might also describe Maoism.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 09:26:50 pm »
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Agrarian primitivsm
Nazism
Theocracy
Stalinist communism
Slavocracy
Feudalist aristocratism
Anarchism
Liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 10:20:15 pm »
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I'm rather puzzled that feudalist aristocratism is viewed so positively here.

Quote from: Snowstalker on April 18, 2012, 04:56:15 pm
Crap, that's what agrarian primitivism was? I thought it was more of Jefferson's "yeoman farmer".
I meant it to mean any regime that tries to forcefully undo development and return society to a primitive agrarian socioeconomic system. I don't see it as critically important whether the new society is based around Pol Pot-esque statism, Jefferson-esque yeomans or Green hippy style communes... either way it represents an attack on civilization itself and the inevitable death of a vast fraction of society(in many cases a majority).
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 10:51:31 pm »
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Agrarian primitivsm - everyone dies
Anarchism - everyone dies, but if it's mild could be better than Stalinism.
Nazism - minorities die
Feudalist aristocratism - 90% live really terribly(Liberal democratic capitalism could rank here depending on how liberal it is).
Slavocracy - a lot of people live terribly
Theocracy- dissenters die, most progress suppressed
Stalinist communism - dissenters die, a lot of rural people die
Liberal democratic capitalism - 75% of population is abused but "generally" not as terribly as in others.
Also one sentence explanation of each should have been given in OP because Anarchism is pretty vague.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 11:45:46 pm »
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Anarchism
Agrarian Primitivism
National Socialism/Stalinist Communism (tie)
Slavocracy
Feudalist Aristocratism
Theocracy
Liberal Democratic Capitalism
*Social Democratic Capitalism*
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 01:01:04 am »
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Quote from: TNF on April 18, 2012, 11:45:46 pm
Anarchism
Agrarian Primitivism
National Socialism/Stalinist Communism (tie)
Slavocracy
Feudalist Aristocratism
Theocracy
Liberal Democratic Capitalism
*Social Democratic Capitalism*



I think you missed Nazism.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 06:13:49 am »
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All I know is that if you call Pol Pot a communist, the thought police usual suspects will come along and yell at you.  Anyway....

Agrarian primitivsm
Nazism
Slavocracy
Stalinist communism
Theocracy
Anarchism
Feudalist aristocratism
Liberal democratic capitalism
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 06:18:08 am »
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Quote from: Kyro sayz on April 18, 2012, 12:39:48 pm
theocracy(ala Afghanistan)
I didn't know God ever ruled Afghanistan. Can't say his results are impressive, though.
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Anarchism(ala Somalia)
Yeah, that makes hardly any more sense.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 06:23:08 am »
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Quote from: dead0man on April 19, 2012, 06:13:49 am
All I know is that if you call Pol Pot a communist, the thought police usual suspects will come along and yell at you.  Anyway....


Just like you would yell at me if I called Hitler a capitalist.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2012, 06:43:15 am »
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Quote from: rejoice despite the fact this world will kill you on April 19, 2012, 06:23:08 am
Quote from: dead0man on April 19, 2012, 06:13:49 am
All I know is that if you call Pol Pot a communist, the thought police usual suspects will come along and yell at you.  Anyway....


Just like you would yell at me if I called Hitler a capitalist.
Center-right. To the right of the "System" parties, to the left of the main right wing opposition the DNVP. Kiss (No seriously. Turn off your memories of what happened after '33, much of which would have also happened under a purely hypothetical genuinely popular DNVP government anyways. Hitler had greater crossover appeal than the DNVP because his program is basically the same minus those bits that both were extreme right and didn't sell. And not surprisingly, his election base in 32/3 was virtually identical to Hindenburg's in 25.  It's a statistical fact. It's a really unusually high correlation, .89 IIRC.)
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2012, 06:45:59 am »
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Quote from: Minion of Midas on April 19, 2012, 06:43:15 am
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All I know is that if you call Pol Pot a communist, the thought police usual suspects will come along and yell at you.  Anyway....


Just like you would yell at me if I called Hitler a capitalist.
Center-right. To the right of the "System" parties, to the left of the main right wing opposition the DNVP. Kiss (No seriously. Turn off your memories of what happened after '33, much of which would have also happened under a purely hypothetical genuinely popular DNVP government anyways. Hitler had greater crossover appeal than the DNVP because his program is basically the same minus those bits that both were extreme right and didn't sell. And not surprisingly, his election base in 32/3 was virtually identical to Hindenburg's in 25.  It's a statistical fact. It's a really unusually high correlation, .89 IIRC.)

I know, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is for dead0man to claim Pol Pot represents communism given that what he did completely contradicts Marxist theory.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2012, 06:56:11 am »
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Most awful

Nazism
Agrarian primitivsm
Slavocracy
Stalinist communism
Theocracy
Feudalist aristocratism
Liberal democratic capitalism
Anarchism

Least awful
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