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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 08:56:06 am »
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People who think they know the answers.

Because you don't.
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This.

It never ceases to amaze me the insane amount of shrill bastards on here (or in other places) who make every post on here like it's undisputed 100% proven fact that their views are always right no matter what.  Like they know all the answers to life's puzzles, how everything would be okay if the world just listened to what was going on in their tweeny dick driven egomaniacal brains.

Well, I'll be the second person on here to say that I don't know dick.  I will go onto further say that if the world followed all of my advice it would probably be a screwed up place.  I will even do something that a lot of you will never say on here: I'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE.

(somebody brings up a Mechaman post claiming to know the answers)

Hey that doesn't count!  I always thought that guy was an asshole.
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 09:24:02 am »
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comparing the two as you began to smells very strongly of the right-libertarian's favorite inane activity, arguing that fascism was left-wing.  it rightfully will draw a visceral reaction out of those with a leftish sympathy.

No doubt.  Nevertheless, logic trumps viscera.  First, you cannot lump all fascists together in a little box.  The Japanese brand of fascism of the 1930s smelled very different than the Italian version.  (One smelled fishy, I suppose, while the other smelled a bit like oregano.)  Moreover, outside the insulated little world of this forum, no one ever claims that fascism was "left wing."  Oh, it comes up quite a bit here, the way Santorum refers to frothy excrement, but out in the real world folks don't really do that much.  At least my teachers always referred to fascism as "ultra conservative" or some such.  Still, they reasonably and aptly made a number of distinct comparisons between fascism and socialism, and between the respective governments of German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentropp and Soviet foreign minister Molotov, who were the signatories of the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact.  The non-agression pact was farce, of course, and neither side intended to keep it, and Communists and Nazis are filled with mutual hate, but to fail to see striking and well-documented practical similarities between them amounts to willful ignorance.

Then again, there is a point of development in which all teenagers and twenty-something boys (especially boys) seem to know more than their teachers, their parents, and everyone else, and no one can tell them otherwise.  I know because I was there once as well.  
 
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 09:46:38 am »
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There are arguably left wing varieties of fascism and third position ideology (national syndicalism, strasserism, etc.) but saying Nazi Germany was "leftist" is obviously wrong. Hitler stamped out the SA for a reason.
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 10:14:15 am »
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Hitler stamped out the SA for a reason.

Hitler stamped out the SA, and a bunch of other troublemakers on the Night of the Long Knives, because Ernst Röhm was the only credible threat to his domination.  Sure, the SA often sided with workers during strikes, but Hitler wanted to be rid of them because they were getting too big for their breeches, becoming larger in number than the Reichswehr and threatening to win the sympathies of von Hindenburg.  

Sound familiar?  It should.  It's the sort of thing that the Soviets do as well.  The NKVD and the Gestapo were really not so different in their tactics.  They even had joint conferences during 1939 and 40 when the non-agression pact was still in effect, sharing "information gathering" techniques.  The slave labor camps, removal of children from their parents, dictatorship, information control, the control of populations by indoctrination and propaganda.  These are all techniques used by Nazis and the Soviets.

I've never claimed that fascists were "left wing" and I really don't think such claims are very common outside this forum, but we cannot overlook the similarities between fascists and socialists.  This sort of argument is like those I encounter when I walk into a roomful of oenophiles.  Some are drinkers of Pinot Grigio while others prefer Pinot Noir, and and they never seem to see eye to eye.  I walk into the room and say, "Well they really do have a lot in common."  And they look at me as if I'm mad.  "What?  How dare you compare the golden floral crispness of a pinot grigio to the edgy punch of a black pinot noir.  Screw off!"  And I say, "For starters, they're more like each other than either of them is like a tuna fish sandwich, and they're both from delicate stock.  And they're both are medium in body and in acidity..."  But by the time reality sets in the respective combatants are so entrenched in their stubborn arguments over how very different these two grapes are that there can be no turning back.  Then someone says, "Well, it's actually common among non-oenophiles to call a pinot grigio a red grape."  And I"m thinking, "WTF?  I have never called a pinot grigio a red grape.  Clearly it's a white grape.  Actually, light green.  When have I ever called a pinot grigio a red grape?!  Outside this forum I don't think I've ever heard anyone call a pinot grigio a red grape.  I simply said that pinot grigio and pinot noir have a great deal in common and the comparisons that your professors have made are apt and reasonable."  But it becomes such a matter of great pride for oenophiles to defend the indefensible statement that Pinot Grigio and Pinot Noir have absolutely nothing in common that no further intelligent discussion is possible.

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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2012, 02:47:37 pm »
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Personal Pet Peeve #123: People who use terms like "Cisgender" and a lot of things related to the more radical "queer" elements of LGBT, emphasis on the T part. I've noticed this one popping up a lot, along with other bizarre and unnecessary sexual labels like "demisexual," etc. I already had problems with the whole LGBT label and gay rights movement but this stuff is just well, it surpasses self parody. I almost wonder if they're just trolling us. Case in point:

Lol, that's funny.
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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2012, 02:49:56 pm »
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Sure, the SA often sided with workers during strikes
Twice or so in '32 Berlin, and only for cheap points because the SPD didn't. Which ended up hurting the KPD more than it benefitted the Nazis, probably (the hubbub about the KPD "working together with the Nazis" is why it's remembered).
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2012, 02:53:44 pm »
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"Independent" voters.

People who think they know the answers.

Because you don't.

How deep.
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2012, 03:02:43 pm »
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Personal Pet Peeve #123: People who use terms like "Cisgender" and a lot of things related to the more radical "queer" elements of LGBT, emphasis on the T part. I've noticed this one popping up a lot, along with other bizarre and unnecessary sexual labels like "demisexual," etc. I already had problems with the whole LGBT label and gay rights movement but this stuff is just well, it surpasses self parody. I almost wonder if they're just trolling us. Case in point:


Seriously, it should be realized the 90-98% of people who have normal heterosexual attractions needn't be subject to the bizarre terminology of the no more than 30% of the non-heterosexuals. I thought the whole point was to end the need for such divisive labels, not to create an endless stream of them.
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2012, 03:12:55 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2012, 03:14:48 pm »
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-Pretending Harper is a moderate
-Pretending the CPC is basically a moderate centrist party
-Stephen Harper saying words
-My MP
-Uninformed 'swing' voters
-Canadian voters in general
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-Moralfags/people who attempt to impose their views on other by force
-Misusing the words socialist, liberal, communist or far-left
-Saying that the FN's working-class vote came from the PCF
-NDP voters in Ottawa-Orleans (sorry); though I feel the same about any other people who spoil their votes for an irrelevant party in a NDP or Grit winnable Tory-held margin
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2012, 03:16:00 pm »
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Personal Pet Peeve #123: People who use terms like "Cisgender" and a lot of things related to the more radical "queer" elements of LGBT, emphasis on the T part. I've noticed this one popping up a lot, along with other bizarre and unnecessary sexual labels like "demisexual," etc. I already had problems with the whole LGBT label and gay rights movement but this stuff is just well, it surpasses self parody. I almost wonder if they're just trolling us. Case in point:


Seriously, it should be realized the 90-98% of people who have normal heterosexual attractions needn't be subject to the bizarre terminology of the no more than 30% of the non-heterosexuals. I thought the whole point was to end the need for such divisive labels, not to create an endless stream of them.

"normal heterosexual attractions" is a pretty loaded phrase...
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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2012, 03:21:39 pm »
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Personal Pet Peeve #123: People who use terms like "Cisgender" and a lot of things related to the more radical "queer" elements of LGBT, emphasis on the T part. I've noticed this one popping up a lot, along with other bizarre and unnecessary sexual labels like "demisexual," etc. I already had problems with the whole LGBT label and gay rights movement but this stuff is just well, it surpasses self parody. I almost wonder if they're just trolling us. Case in point:


Seriously, it should be realized the 90-98% of people who have normal heterosexual attractions needn't be subject to the bizarre terminology of the no more than 30% of the non-heterosexuals. I thought the whole point was to end the need for such divisive labels, not to create an endless stream of them.

"normal heterosexual attractions" is a pretty loaded phrase...

I don't mean for it to be offensive. But if we accept the ultimate purpose of life of any sort to be the perpetuation of life, then yes, heterosexual relations can be deemed "normal" as they are the only kind that naturally produces life.
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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2012, 03:29:42 pm »
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This is one of those great perspective questions. I comment here not on your situation with your professor, or on angus's assertion, but in general, because this is an assertion that libertarians make a lot, isn't it? I can see why a libertarian might ignore the entire weight of historical evidence to posit a relationship. The libertarian sees everything from the lens of the singular variable that libertarian-ism deems important. The orange and the pear may be different fruits, but they are both un-banana-like, and in that sense very similar to one another. They are similar in their un-banana-ism. After all, the stars in the constellations look close to each other.

This is basically what I was alluding towards (that and the historical ignorance of those who would like to posit such claims). It's not that I have a problem with libertarianism; it's more that I have a problem with their analytical process that is so far removed from mine and that oftentimes is nonsensical. The way they view policy quandaries makes me want to bash my head against the wall.
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2012, 04:43:39 pm »
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People who oppose the use of Congressional earmarks. 
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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2012, 04:47:21 pm »
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I've always advocated the summary execution of anyone using the phrase 'Arm Vlaanderen!/Poor Flanders!' as the conclusion of a letter to the editor in a newspaper.
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2012, 05:55:09 pm »
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I've always advocated the summary execution of anyone using the phrase 'Arm Vlaanderen!/Poor Flanders!' as the conclusion of a letter to the editor in a newspaper.

Ah, yes, my other pet peeves are the people who write comments to the Ottawa Citizen. Only slightly superior to YouTube comments.
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2012, 06:05:06 pm »
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Oh yeah, another pet peeve - people who think David Cameron is a moderate.
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2012, 06:17:02 pm »
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Hitler stamped out the SA, and a bunch of other troublemakers on the Night of the Long Knives, because Ernst Röhm was the only credible threat to his domination.  Sure, the SA often sided with workers during strikes, but Hitler wanted to be rid of them because they were getting too big for their breeches, becoming larger in number than the Reichswehr and threatening to win the sympathies of von Hindenburg.  


There were lingering radical element like Goebbels but Hitler abandoned most of the more overtly socialist elements of National Socialism in favor of Feder's general dynamic of 'productive' (state) capitalism. Again, there's a reason Otto Strasser and a lot of the old guard fled. Besides which focusing on economics is somewhat irrelevant. Fascism in general is very heavily anti-materialist in character in the literal sense of the term, hence it is somewhat of a mistake to focus on economics and ignore the other recurring philosophical elements of extreme anti-egalitarianism, skepticism/hatred of rationalism, anti-universalism, anti-humanism, fixation on the mythic past, etc. especially in the case of Nazi Germany.

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Sound familiar?  It should.  It's the sort of thing that the Soviets do as well.  The NKVD and the Gestapo were really not so different in their tactics.  They even had joint conferences during 1939 and 40 when the non-agression pact was still in effect, sharing "information gathering" techniques.  The slave labor camps, removal of children from their parents, dictatorship, information control, the control of populations by indoctrination and propaganda.  These are all techniques used by Nazis and the Soviets.
That's not really relevant to what we're talking about though. Nobody disputes that they were both totalitarian regimes.

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I've never claimed that fascists were "left wing" and I really don't think such claims are very common outside this forum, but we cannot overlook the similarities between fascists and socialists.  

Except those arguments are very common. It's a favorite tactic of american libertarians and many self-IDing conservatives (of the talk radio variety - see Beck, Savage, etc.) to claim Nazi Germany was leftist in character. Virtually all the big time libertarians have made arguments to that effect, just look at Hayek or Von Mises or a good chunk of Lew Rockwell. It should be noted though that people aren't necessarily disputing that socialists can be fascist, just that Nazism was left wing.
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That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.

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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2012, 06:54:45 pm »
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That's not really relevant to what we're talking about though.


That's exactly what we're talking about.  Or at least it's what I'm talking about.


Except those arguments are very common. It's a favorite tactic of american libertarians and many self-IDing conservatives (of the talk radio variety - see Beck, Savage, etc.) to claim Nazi Germany was leftist in character. Virtually all the big time libertarians have made arguments to that effect, just look at Hayek or Von Mises or a good chunk of Lew Rockwell. It should be noted though that people aren't necessarily disputing that socialists can be fascist, just that Nazism was left wing.

Dude wasn't talking about some talking heads, he was talking about an academic.  And he didn't say anything about Glen Beck calling Nazis "left wing" he said his prof was comparing socialists and fascists.  Such comparisons are apt, as you readily admit.  Beyond that, you're going pretty far astray with this, and certainly taking my comments out of context, which is what I suspect the OP was doing with his professor.

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« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2012, 05:49:03 pm »
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1) People deeming the vice-president as important.

2) Chris Matthews

3) Back in 2002-2006 era I used to read on a lot of blogs and message boards the argument of, "You can't support a war if you never served." I always found this to be a real stupid argument. I never support wars because I do not support waste, but the logic of the above statement is lacking. Can one not support fighting crime since they have never been Batman?

4) Republicans who support Democrats for office and Democrats who support Republicans for office. Come on, dudes, you should cheer for the home team.

5) The entirety of the Reform Party.

6) "Moderates"- this is Chris Matthews speak for "pro-war collectivist."

7) Buddy Roemer (see #5)

8 ) The term "Kitchen Table Issues." Does anyone talk about stuff at the kitchen table anymore? Last time I had a discussion at a kitchen table was when I was caught with a Penthouse back in 7th grade.

9) Usage off simplistic, collectivist terms like "We are the 99%" or "Occupy [whatever Free Speech TV hates today]."

10) Thom Hartmann (also see #8 and #9)

11) People who admire politicians. Can't such people admire athletes, actors, porn stars, celebrity chefs or their mom?

12) People like it when politicians act "like us." Recently Hillary Clinton got drunk at a bar and danced around like an idiot. If any other 65 year old woman did this she would not be hailed as "being like us" she would instead be called "a woman suffering from empty nest syndrome."

13) Also, I hate it when politicians go on SNL. SNL is usually not funny, but when Obama, McCain or some other dolt goes on the place it just makes the show that much worse. Also, politicians have no need to ever talk about pop culture. I do not listen to a certain type of music because some suit wants me to.

14) Chris Hayes and Chis Cillizza (see #1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13)

15) Talking about Mitt Romney's dog on the car back in the 1980s. This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.

16) Telling people to "Google Santorum." This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.  

17) The term "Paultard." This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.  

18) Ever referring to a male politician as "handsome" if the person mentioning the male politician is also a male. I mean God man.

19) That asshole Martin Bashir (see ##1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18)

20) Inauguration Ceremonies.

21) I think that may be it. No...Stockwell Day is pretty annoying too. How do you guys in Canada live with that guy?

That should be all for now.
 
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« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2012, 08:47:33 pm »
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1) People deeming the vice-president as important.

2) Chris Matthews

3) Back in 2002-2006 era I used to read on a lot of blogs and message boards the argument of, "You can't support a war if you never served." I always found this to be a real stupid argument. I never support wars because I do not support waste, but the logic of the above statement is lacking. Can one not support fighting crime since they have never been Batman?

4) Republicans who support Democrats for office and Democrats who support Republicans for office. Come on, dudes, you should cheer for the home team.

5) The entirety of the Reform Party.

6) "Moderates"- this is Chris Matthews speak for "pro-war collectivist."

7) Buddy Roemer (see #5)

8 ) The term "Kitchen Table Issues." Does anyone talk about stuff at the kitchen table anymore? Last time I had a discussion at a kitchen table was when I was caught with a Penthouse back in 7th grade.

9) Usage off simplistic, collectivist terms like "We are the 99%" or "Occupy [whatever Free Speech TV hates today]."

10) Thom Hartmann (also see #8 and #9)

11) People who admire politicians. Can't such people admire athletes, actors, porn stars, celebrity chefs or their mom?

12) People like it when politicians act "like us." Recently Hillary Clinton got drunk at a bar and danced around like an idiot. If any other 65 year old woman did this she would not be hailed as "being like us" she would instead be called "a woman suffering from empty nest syndrome."

13) Also, I hate it when politicians go on SNL. SNL is usually not funny, but when Obama, McCain or some other dolt goes on the place it just makes the show that much worse. Also, politicians have no need to ever talk about pop culture. I do not listen to a certain type of music because some suit wants me to.

14) Chris Hayes and Chis Cillizza (see #1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13)

15) Talking about Mitt Romney's dog on the car back in the 1980s. This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.

16) Telling people to "Google Santorum." This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.  

17) The term "Paultard." This was never funny and is not funny the 1 billionths time mentioned.  

18) Ever referring to a male politician as "handsome" if the person mentioning the male politician is also a male. I mean God man.

19) That asshole Martin Bashir (see ##1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18)

20) Inauguration Ceremonies.

21) I think that may be it. No...Stockwell Day is pretty annoying too. How do you guys in Canada live with that guy?

That should be all for now.
 

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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2012, 09:01:08 pm »
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In honor of me rediscovering my Twitter account...

"Independent" voters.

People who think they know the answers.

Because you don't.

How deep.

#provingmypoint
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I would like to respond with an eyeroll so I'm typing it out long-form so as to be less cliche.
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I would like to respond with an eyeroll so I'm typing it out long-form so as to be less cliche.

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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2012, 10:24:15 pm »
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People who think they know the answers.

Because you don't.

Oh god, absolutely. This goes hand in hand with my irritation with the idea of absolute political consistency.

The incessant Republican cult of victimization.

Also agreed, very much so...

"Independent" voters.

Care to elaborate?
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