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emailking
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« on: April 21, 2012, 07:34:51 PM »

With the Popular Vote, every vote counts.

Every vote counts as it is. They just count a different way than they would in a popular vote.

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emailking
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 09:36:13 AM »

I think all of you misunderstood what I was trying to say. When I said that with PV every vote counts, I meant that your vote will not be filtered by a statewide poll, your vote will count nationally and that is much more fair!

Well that confuses me even more. Consider this scenario:

a. The electoral college is decided by the votes of one state.
b. That state (after all recounting was done) was decided by one popular vote
c. You personally cast your vote for the winning candidate

Then by your specification, your vote doesn't count because it was filtered by a statewide poll. But that seems to fly in the face of common sense for what it means for your vote to count. Because if you personally hadn't voted the way you did, the outcome would have been different.

I think what you're really trying to say is that under the electoral college, a lot of votes get 'wasted.' But the same is true for a popular vote. Unless the election is decided by exactly one vote, then there are wasted votes. It's just a different way of wasting them.

Which way of wasting them is "fairer" is a different matter.

The electoral leverage issue is interesting, but it's largely an issue of what the candidates do before the election, rather than the meaning of the votes that are cast. I would agree though that the "counting" issue is semantic.
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