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« Reply #200 on: April 22, 2012, 04:43:43 PM »

Poison Dwarf edges Panzergirl in Vaucluse.
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« Reply #201 on: April 22, 2012, 04:44:58 PM »

Forbach: Hollande 27, Panzergirl 26, Poison Dwarf 25

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« Reply #202 on: April 22, 2012, 04:46:04 PM »

Henin Beaumont

Le Pen 35.48
Hollande 26.82
Sarkozy 15.76
Melenchon 11.98
Bayrou 5.20
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« Reply #203 on: April 22, 2012, 04:47:36 PM »

What sort of place is Corrèze? It seems really rural, possibly mountainous? Is it considered part of the Massif Central?

Lived there several years while a child. It's definitely part of Massif Central yes, very green, lot of forests, middle mountains, quite rural, slightly conservative, but still rather open minded, something along the rest of Limousin, might be the most rightist département of this région.

So Hollande's from a sort of low-key rural leftist background, culturally? That sounds nice, actually. Too bad he's going to be inheriting and presiding over an absolute sh**tstorm.

lol, no, at all, it's a cute Parisian upper middle class baby. Grin

...Oh joy.

The sheer domination of primate cities is another thing that interests me about Europe. Paris, London, Madrid...New York has nowhere near that much influence within the United States.

New York has that much influence within its state, doesn't it?

Good point! Perhaps it would within a hypothetical 'Northeast' country of roughly a large Western European country's population.

U.S. States really can't be compared to European countries, as the former were the creation of the colonial/Washington administration often before the areas in question were even populated by Euro-Americans (or at least in large numbers). So the dynamics are different, but the dominance of Primate cities is hardly unusual in a global context, The US and Germany (a European city) are the outliers in this.

I think the boundaries of New York state, at least, are reasonably organic. Certainly a state like Wyoming has no meaningful identity, though.
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« Reply #204 on: April 22, 2012, 04:55:08 PM »

What sort of place is Corrèze? It seems really rural, possibly mountainous? Is it considered part of the Massif Central?

Lived there several years while a child. It's definitely part of Massif Central yes, very green, lot of forests, middle mountains, quite rural, slightly conservative, but still rather open minded, something along the rest of Limousin, might be the most rightist département of this région.

So Hollande's from a sort of low-key rural leftist background, culturally? That sounds nice, actually. Too bad he's going to be inheriting and presiding over an absolute sh**tstorm.

lol, no, at all, it's a cute Parisian upper middle class baby. Grin

...Oh joy.

The sheer domination of primate cities is another thing that interests me about Europe. Paris, London, Madrid...New York has nowhere near that much influence within the United States.

New York has that much influence within its state, doesn't it?

Good point! Perhaps it would within a hypothetical 'Northeast' country of roughly a large Western European country's population.

U.S. States really can't be compared to European countries, as the former were the creation of the colonial/Washington administration often before the areas in question were even populated by Euro-Americans (or at least in large numbers). So the dynamics are different, but the dominance of Primate cities is hardly unusual in a global context, The US and Germany (a European city) are the outliers in this.

I think the boundaries of New York state, at least, are reasonably organic. Certainly a state like Wyoming has no meaningful identity, though.

You think NYC and Buffalo belong together?
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« Reply #205 on: April 22, 2012, 04:57:30 PM »

Oh so we do have a Le Pen department, Gard.
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« Reply #206 on: April 22, 2012, 05:10:34 PM »



As usual...
But it's at a higher level everywhere.
Surprisingly low in Doubs and Côte d'Or. Of course higher in more blue-collar departments like Pas-de-Calais or Meurthe-et-Moselle.
Stronger than usual in Loir-et-Cher.
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« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2012, 05:11:33 PM »

Why is Le Pen doing so well in eastern France?
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« Reply #208 on: April 22, 2012, 05:12:02 PM »

Neuilly-sur-Seine (Hauts-de-Seine, Sarkozy's stronghold):

Sarkozy 72,64%
Hollande 10,17%
François Bayrou 7,44%
Marine le Pen 4,99%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon 2,1%

Who can beat it!

Les Hauts-de-Seine, tu peux pas test'.

Why is Le Pen doing so well in eastern France?

Unemployment, for one thing.
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« Reply #209 on: April 22, 2012, 05:16:55 PM »



But it's at a higher level everywhere.

Yeah, in Castres, of which the results are almost the exact same ones than national ones, which uses to be more or less often the case iirc, which comfort me in seeing this city as a so typical provincial small French city, she does 18% then, while FN used to stay between 10 and 15.
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« Reply #210 on: April 22, 2012, 05:17:43 PM »

Regions won by each candidate so far.

Hollande: Aquitaine, Limousin, Auvergne, Bretagne, Bourgogne, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Lorraine, Haute-Normandie, Picardie, Languedoc-Roussillon (10)

Sarkozy: Corse, Pays de la Loire, Centre, Franche-Comté, Basse-Normandie, Champagne-Ardennes (6)

Not finished: Île-de-France, Alsace, Poitou-Charentes, Rhône-Alpes, Midi-Pyrénées, Languedoc-Roussillon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur (6)
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« Reply #211 on: April 22, 2012, 05:19:33 PM »

I'd urge caution in categorizing Le Pen with the right wing--when it comes to second-round decisions, it's more of a "populist" free-for-all (and not just because the Right is cautious about explicitly cozying up with the FN)
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« Reply #212 on: April 22, 2012, 05:22:57 PM »

Regions won by each candidate so far, update.

Hollande: Aquitaine, Limousin, Auvergne, Bretagne, Bourgogne, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Lorraine, Haute-Normandie, Picardie, Languedoc-Roussillon, Poitou-Charentes (11)

Sarkozy: Corse, Pays de la Loire, Centre, Franche-Comté, Basse-Normandie, Champagne-Ardennes (6)

Not finished: Île-de-France, Alsace, Rhône-Alpes, Midi-Pyrénées, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur (5)

Hollande should win a majority of regions.
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« Reply #213 on: April 22, 2012, 05:27:04 PM »

The big 4 is still to come: Paris Lyon Marseille Toulouse
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« Reply #214 on: April 22, 2012, 05:27:59 PM »

Donzy (Nièvre) breaks its record of voting for the winning candidate:

Sarkozy 27.2 Hollande 25.5 Le Pen 19.9 Mélenchon 9.1
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« Reply #215 on: April 22, 2012, 05:29:17 PM »

I see than Morbihan decided to vote like the rest of the Bretagne.
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« Reply #216 on: April 22, 2012, 05:29:47 PM »

Electoral climate in Bretagne definitely is better than weather climate there (they might have to compensate, amusing that this is exact opposite in south-eastern France), Finistère:

F. Hollande : 33,70%
N. Sarkozy : 24,46%
M. Le Pen : 11,98%
J-L. Mélenchon : 11,52%
F. Bayrou : 11,27%
E. Joly : 2,95%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 1,78%
P. Poutou : 1,48%
N. Arthaud : 0,60%
J. Cheminade : 0,27%
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« Reply #217 on: April 22, 2012, 05:30:40 PM »

What is it about Morbihan? Even this time it was much narrower than the rest of the Breton départements.
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« Reply #218 on: April 22, 2012, 05:33:48 PM »

The paris metro areas that have come in seem to have higher abstention jumps than other areas.
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« Reply #219 on: April 22, 2012, 05:34:42 PM »

How is Hollande expected to do in the Big Four cities, relative to how Royal or Jospin used to?
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« Reply #220 on: April 22, 2012, 05:40:30 PM »

Hérault's such a leftist département! (...for Languedoc-Roussillon)

F. Hollande : 26,69%
N. Sarkozy : 25,31%
M. Le Pen : 22,28%
J-L. Mélenchon : 13,27%
F. Bayrou : 6,86%
E. Joly : 2,52%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 1,40%
P. Poutou : 1,03%
N. Arthaud : 0,40%
J. Cheminade : 0,23%
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« Reply #221 on: April 22, 2012, 05:43:30 PM »

Bretagne continues to show as a pleasant place:

Ille-et-Villaine

F. Hollande : 31,77%
N. Sarkozy : 26,02%
M. Le Pen : 12,39%
F. Bayrou : 12,35%
J-L. Mélenchon : 10,35%
E. Joly : 3,17%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 1,83%
P. Poutou : 1,22%
N. Arthaud : 0,67%
J. Cheminade : 0,24%

Best Bayrou score for a dpt?
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« Reply #222 on: April 22, 2012, 05:43:44 PM »

Benwah, Montpellier helps a lot for Hérault (Hollande 35%, Sarkozy 21,8%, Mélenchon 15,7%, Le Pen 13,7%, Bayrou 7,4%).
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« Reply #223 on: April 22, 2012, 05:46:27 PM »

Benwah, Montpellier helps a lot for Hérault (Hollande 35%, Sarkozy 21,8%, Mélenchon 15,7%, Le Pen 13,7%, Bayrou 7,4%).

Yes, was thinking about trying to find Montpellier, thank you, not surprising, the big Mélenchon vote might be in part explained by the important student community there, we might have more or less the same thing in Toulouse.
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« Reply #224 on: April 22, 2012, 05:49:42 PM »


1. Pyrénées-Atlantiques: 15,7%
2. Mayenne: 13,4%
3. Maine-et-Loire: 12,8%
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