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« Reply #325 on: April 22, 2012, 07:57:19 pm »
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She wasn't so bad in alsace and Alpes-Maritimes, Hash. And she isn't very high in Nièvre, Loir-et-Cher, Indre, Orne.

Sure, from Lyon to Savoies, she wasn't good (but it was the same in Doubs and Côte d'Or).

Daddy won 23% in Bas-Rhin and 23.5% in Haut-Rhin back in 02, and nearly 25% in 95. She's at 21 and 23% respectively. She's doing a bit less than 2% better than Daddy in 2002, so on a universal swing basis, she underperformed. Not that this surprises me one bit, I had already noted it in 2010. In the 06, Daddy took 26% in 02, she won 23.5%. Not surprising either, but still an underperformance.

Eure, otoh, is a nice result for her, just looking stuff over.

Oh sure: I was thinking of 2007, not of 2002 or 1995.
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« Reply #326 on: April 22, 2012, 07:58:01 pm »

I don't know if people were paying attention to them, but Hollande landslided 4 of the 5 overseas departments.

Which one did Sarkozy win?

Mayotte.
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« Reply #327 on: April 22, 2012, 07:58:49 pm »
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It will be interesting to compare Hollande's map with his own map in the PS primary and with maps of... Chirac Tongue

As a side note, seems as if Nièvre is "normalizing" in a way.
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« Reply #328 on: April 22, 2012, 07:59:09 pm »
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I don't know if people were paying attention to them, but Hollande landslided 4 of the 5 overseas departments.

Which one did Sarkozy win?

Mayotte. It only became a department a year ago.
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« Reply #329 on: April 22, 2012, 07:59:57 pm »
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Yay Limousin!

Haute-Vienne:

F. Hollande : 35,93%
N. Sarkozy : 19,83%
M. Le Pen : 16,42%
J-L. Mélenchon : 14,36%
F. Bayrou : 7,89%
E. Joly : 1,80%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 1,66%
P. Poutou : 1,21%
N. Arthaud : 0,66%
J. Cheminade : 0,24%

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It's funny that they keep around some communes that no one lives in any more.

Ah well, yeah, you can find some with about 15 people here and there...

There are those too, in addition to the ones that literally have no one.

Euh, I don't think so. Those are not communes, a commune is an administration, then there is a mayor, then there is some voters. Now you have some villages in which there are nobody left, and that you can even buy for some of them, but that is not a commune, those are only groups of old houses here or there. And then you also have hameaux, which are some small to very small groups of houses lost here or there somewhere, in which from only one to maybe a maximum of 30 people are living. Such groups of houses can be either some communes of 15 people then, of which the territory can be far more extended than those few houses since it can include some fields and or forests all around, or hameaux, which means that they are a group of houses belonging to a commune of which the center is somewhere else (and sometimes it can be very far away) in the countryside...

Welcome in France's rurality.
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« Reply #330 on: April 22, 2012, 08:04:07 pm »

Marine has done very well in old Communist working-class municipalities, historically so. Melenchon's appeal to the old PCF prole base has been fairly tepid to say the least. A comparison to Hue's 1995 map will be very interesting, I already know that Hue did better in the Allier in 95 than Memelenchon. The bad news is, I'll have to suffer through the loads and loads of douchebags who will use this as proof that there has always been a strong link between Commies and Fascists... just like the Commies use the 1984 Euros to prove the contrary... oh Christ... I might as well jump off a bridge...

btw, there are 7 (i think) communes in the Meuse which retain communal status and have an appointed administration, but they are uninhabited as they are designated as "villages mort pour la France" - they were destroyed in WWI and haven't been rebuilt. All other communes in France have at least one inhabitant.
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« Reply #331 on: April 22, 2012, 08:05:24 pm »
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I don't know if people were paying attention to them, but Hollande landslided 4 of the 5 overseas departments.

Which one did Sarkozy win?

Mayotte.

LOL at French comorians being xenophobic toward Comorian comorians.
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« Reply #332 on: April 22, 2012, 08:08:28 pm »
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Nicolas Sarkozy : 1860 votes - 56,8% François Hollande : 580 votes – 17,7% François Bayrou : 432 votes – 13,2% Eva Joly : 142 votes – 4,3% Jean-Luc Mélenchon : 115 votes – 3,5% Marine Le Pen : 99 votes – 3%
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« Reply #333 on: April 22, 2012, 08:11:26 pm »
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I don't know if people were paying attention to them, but Hollande landslided 4 of the 5 overseas departments.

Which one did Sarkozy win?

Mayotte.

LOL at French comorians being xenophobic toward Comorian comorians.

I wonder if someone has a clue about the reason of this vote. Anyways, to develop about xenophobia, Marine Le Pen did 2,77%
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« Reply #334 on: April 22, 2012, 08:13:36 pm »

Abstention was 51% in Mayotte, so let's stop grasping at straws.
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« Reply #335 on: April 22, 2012, 08:13:57 pm »
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Sarkozy won New-Caledonia too:

N. Sarkozy : 49,63%
F. Hollande : 24,91%
M. Le Pen : 11,66%
F. Bayrou : 5,13%
J-L. Mélenchon : 3,28%
E. Joly : 2,62%
P. Poutou : 0,98%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 0,93%
N. Arthaud : 0,54%
J. Cheminade : 0,31%

Hmm, the point of oversea territories would also be to have abstention results, I'd be curious to know it for New-Caledonia.
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« Reply #336 on: April 22, 2012, 08:15:37 pm »
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Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, no jealous between MLP and JLM:

F. Hollande : 33,75%
N. Sarkozy : 18,55%
M. Le Pen : 15,81%
J-L. Mélenchon : 15,17%
F. Bayrou : 7,37%
P. Poutou : 3,91%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 2,43%
E. Joly : 1,63%
N. Arthaud : 0,87%
J. Cheminade : 0,49%

Poutou!

If you add it to Mélenchon, and well Hollande, that puts it quite on the Left, didn't know.
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« Reply #337 on: April 22, 2012, 08:17:12 pm »

Sarkozy won New-Caledonia too:

N. Sarkozy : 49,63%
F. Hollande : 24,91%
M. Le Pen : 11,66%
F. Bayrou : 5,13%
J-L. Mélenchon : 3,28%
E. Joly : 2,62%
P. Poutou : 0,98%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 0,93%
N. Arthaud : 0,54%
J. Cheminade : 0,31%

Hmm, the point of oversea territories would also be to have abstention results, I'd be curious to know it for New-Caledonia.

44.6% in New Caledonia. I'd be curious to see a map of results and abstention in Kanakie/New Caledonia by commune, though I can draw it up in my mind right now and not be too far off.

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« Reply #338 on: April 22, 2012, 08:20:00 pm »
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Saint-Martin/Saint-Barthélémy:

 N. Sarkozy : 43,62%
F. Hollande : 26,78%
M. Le Pen : 12,14%
F. Bayrou : 5,89%
J-L. Mélenchon : 5,89% lol, indeed
E. Joly : 2,59%
N. Dupont-Aignan : 1,15%
P. Poutou : 1,06%
N. Arthaud : 0,55%
J. Cheminade : 0,35%
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« Reply #339 on: April 22, 2012, 08:21:12 pm »
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Pretty awful for Sarko in Paris. He won only 1st, 6th, 7th, 8th, 15th, 16th and 17th arrondissements.
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« Reply #340 on: April 22, 2012, 08:22:12 pm »
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Marine has done very well in old Communist working-class municipalities, historically so. Melenchon's appeal to the old PCF prole base has been fairly tepid to say the least. A comparison to Hue's 1995 map will be very interesting, I already know that Hue did better in the Allier in 95 than Memelenchon. The bad news is, I'll have to suffer through the loads and loads of douchebags who will use this as proof that there has always been a strong link between Commies and Fascists... just like the Commies use the 1984 Euros to prove the contrary... oh Christ... I might as well jump off a bridge...

Well as far as the campaign went, were there glaring differences between Marine and Melenchon on economic policy? They are both euroskeptic, anti-globalization, one favors regulating banks heavily, the other favors nationalizing them, etc. Main difference is one emphasizes reducing immigration, the other does not speak to it, no?
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« Reply #341 on: April 22, 2012, 08:26:04 pm »
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To sum it on oversea territories:

Sarkozy won Saint-Martin/Saint Barth, New-Caledonia, Polynesia, Mayotte

Hollande Guyanne, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, Saint-Pierre et Miquelon, Wallis et Futuna

In short, dunno if it tells something, but Hollande wins all the DOMs but one, and Sarkozy all the TOMs but one.
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« Reply #342 on: April 22, 2012, 08:28:08 pm »
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Marine has done very well in old Communist working-class municipalities, historically so. Melenchon's appeal to the old PCF prole base has been fairly tepid to say the least. A comparison to Hue's 1995 map will be very interesting, I already know that Hue did better in the Allier in 95 than Memelenchon. The bad news is, I'll have to suffer through the loads and loads of douchebags who will use this as proof that there has always been a strong link between Commies and Fascists... just like the Commies use the 1984 Euros to prove the contrary... oh Christ... I might as well jump off a bridge...

Well as far as the campaign went, were there glaring differences between Marine and Melenchon on economic policy? They are both euroskeptic, anti-globalization, one favors regulating banks heavily, the other favors nationalizing them, etc. Main difference is one emphasizes reducing immigration, the other does not speak to it, no?

Mélenchon is for regularization of Capitalism and against Financial world overall.

Le Pen is for nationalism and against Globalization overall.

Just for the main traits.
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« Reply #343 on: April 22, 2012, 08:29:35 pm »

Here's one type of place where Sarko held up very well vis-a-vis 2007: very wealthy suburbs. Not surprising. This whole campaign, besides Sarko, has been about who would come up with the best insult to rich people.

edit: confirmed. He's even improving on his 2007 results in a good number of wealthyland places.
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« Reply #344 on: April 22, 2012, 08:30:58 pm »
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For what it's worth:

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Official site of Paris' city:

http://www.paris.fr/politiques/Portal.lut?page_id=7796&document_type_id=4&document_id=114391&portlet_id=17975
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« Reply #348 on: April 22, 2012, 08:51:26 pm »
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Why do olds like Sarkozy so much? Is that normal for UMP candidates?
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