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« Reply #475 on: April 26, 2012, 05:25:59 pm »
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Well, in the 2010 regionals and obviously the 2009 Euros, there are a ton of Green-voting municipalities in the Drome and Ardeche.
One would figure. Mélenchon got a lot of those votes this time round.

Think also about the numerous nuclear and chemical plants along the Rhône.
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« Reply #476 on: April 26, 2012, 05:27:10 pm »
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Perhaps most curious spot: Panzergirl won the all-important country of South Sudan with a whopping 4 votes. I wonder what those voters are like...

You wouldn't want to know.
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« Reply #477 on: April 26, 2012, 05:30:03 pm »
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Perhaps most curious spot: Panzergirl won the all-important country of South Sudan with a whopping 4 votes. I wonder what those voters are like...

You wouldn't want to know.

I suspect that probably to be the case, but it is a curiosity none-the-less. Hollande won most African countries.
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« Reply #478 on: April 27, 2012, 06:52:03 am »
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Le Front national est un parti autorisé à se présenter et qui conteste un certain nombre de valeurs de la République

Quote from Francois. Please tell me i'm understanding that wrong...

I would like to know how you understand it, because it doesn't seem all that controversial a quote to me.

The FN is a party which has the right to present itself and which contests some Republican values.

Sounds like praise to me... if i've understood.

"Contester" means "to oppose", "to question", not "to contest".
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« Reply #479 on: April 27, 2012, 08:45:22 am »
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Le Front national est un parti autorisé à se présenter et qui conteste un certain nombre de valeurs de la République

Quote from Francois. Please tell me i'm understanding that wrong...

I would like to know how you understand it, because it doesn't seem all that controversial a quote to me.

The FN is a party which has the right to present itself and which contests some Republican values.

Sounds like praise to me... if i've understood.

"Contester" means "to oppose", "to question", not "to contest".

Actually, the English "contest" can be used in the same sense as "contester" but it's not the most common current usage, e.g. "The disappointed relatives contested the will".
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« Reply #480 on: April 27, 2012, 09:40:02 am »
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Looks like Sarkozy has stabilized at about 46%.

The problem for him is that Bayrou's voters are now breaking for Hollande by a narrow margin.

Unless there's a big surge for him among Bayrou's and Le Pen's voters, he's done.
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« Reply #481 on: April 27, 2012, 09:49:21 am »

I reopened the other thread for a reason, you know.
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« Reply #482 on: April 27, 2012, 04:25:59 pm »
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Anyways...

There's something really quite old school about the Midi focus of Mélenchon's support, isn't there? Even if not exactly in terms of details.

...thoughts?
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« Reply #483 on: April 27, 2012, 04:30:29 pm »
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Anyways...

There's something really quite old school about the Midi focus of Mélenchon's support, isn't there? Even if not exactly in terms of details.

...thoughts?

Don't expect anything from me. I'm still a noob at French political geography. Wink
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« Reply #484 on: April 27, 2012, 04:52:24 pm »
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Anyways...

There's something really quite old school about the Midi focus of Mélenchon's support, isn't there? Even if not exactly in terms of details.

...thoughts?

I'd also like an explanation for this.

His support among middle-class urban progressives is pretty unparalleled for a truly leftist candidate, no?
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« Reply #485 on: April 27, 2012, 07:21:52 pm »

Ifop poll breaking down results by news media consumption habits. Pretty interesting, if conforming to the stereotypes...

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20h TF1: Sarko 38, Marion 27, Hollande 17, Bayrou 7, Melenchon 6
20h France2: Hollande 36, Sarko 24, Marion 12, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 11, Joly 2
19-20 France3: Hollande 31, Marion 22, Sarko 17, Melenchon 14, Bayrou 9, Joly 4
Grand Journal: Hollande 38, Sarko 20, Melenchon 14, Bayrou 11, Marion 9, Joly 5
19h45 M6: Marion 25, Sarko 25, Hollande 22, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 8, Poutou 3
24h news channels: Sarko 30, Hollande 30, Marion 17, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 6
Don't watch: Hollande 30, Sarko 19, Marion 14, Melenchon 14, Bayrou 13, Joly 5

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RTL: Sarko 42, Marion 20, Hollande 20, Bayrou 9, Melenchon 7
Europe1: Sarko 36, Hollande 27, Marion 11, Bayrou 11, Melenchon 9
France Inter: Hollande 48, Melenchon 17, Sarko 13, Bayrou 8, Marion 6, Joly 5
France info: Hollande 31, Sarko 25, Marion 14, Melenchon 13, Bayrou 10, Joly 3
RMC: Hollande 26, Marion 24, Sarko 23, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 9
France Bleue: Sarko 26, Hollande 23, Marion 22, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 9
NRJ: Marion 33, Hollande 27, Sarko 17, Melenchon 11, Bayrou 6, NDA 3
BFM radio: Sarko 36, Hollande 24, Marion 15, Bayrou 12, Melenchon 7
Don't listen to radio: Hollande 29, Sarko 25, Marion 20, Melenchon 11, Bayrou 9, Joly 3

Newspaper
Regional daily: Hollande 31, Sarko 29, Marion 17, Melenchon 10, Bayrou 10
Le Monde: Hollande 45, Sarko 21, Melenchon 13, Bayrou 8, Marion 7, Joly 5
Le Figaro: Sarko 61, Marion 14, Hollande 12, Bayrou 6, Melenchon 5
Le Parisien etc: Hollande 28, Sarko 26, Marion 17, Melenchon 16, Bayrou 8
Libe: Hollande 59, Melenchon 18, Sarko 9, Marion 5, Joly 4, Bayrou 4
Les Echos: Sarko 50, Hollande 22, Bayrou 11, Marion 8, Melenchon 6, Joly 3
L'Humanite: Melenchon 62, Marion 12, Hollande 11, Arthaud 6, Bayrou 3, Joly 2, Sarko 2
La Croix: Sarko 32, Bayrou 29, Hollande 21, Marion 11, Joly 3, Arthaud 2, Melenchon 2
Free newspaper: Hollande 28, Sakro 25, Le Pen 16, Melenchon 15, Bayrou 9
Don't read newspaper: Sarko 26, Hollande 26, Marion 23, Melenchon 10, Bayrou 9, Joly 3

Magazines/weeklies etc
Le Point: Sarko 51, Hollande 20, Bayrou 11, Marion 10, Melenchon 6
Nouvel Obs: Hollande 52, Melenchon 15, Sarko 14, Marion 8, Bayrou 6, Joly 3
Le Figaro Magazine: Sarko 63, Marion 13, Hollande 10, Bayrou 6, Melenchon 6
Marianne: Hollande 52, Melenchon 19, Marion 10, Bayrou 8, Sarko 7, Joly 2
L'Express: Sarko 41, Hollande 23, Marion 14, Bayrou 9, Melenchon 8
Paris Match: Sarko 43, Marion 20, Hollande 16, Bayrou 9, Melenchon 7
Valeurs Actuelles: Sarko 73, Marion 10, Bayrou 7, Hollande 4, NDA 4, Melenchon 2
Don't read magazines etc: Hollande 27, Sarko 25, Marion 22, Melenchon 9, Bayrou 11

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« Reply #486 on: April 27, 2012, 07:25:01 pm »
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I wonder whom these 12% of voters are who read L'Humanité and vote FN.
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« Reply #487 on: April 27, 2012, 09:03:51 pm »

As promised, the constituency-level maps for the top 5

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« Reply #488 on: April 28, 2012, 03:51:43 am »
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Hollande +1.

Raw vote, net. That's about the degree of relevance Giscard still has. Smiley
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« Reply #489 on: April 28, 2012, 03:59:18 am »
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Hmmm, French voters in Palestine.

Mélenchon 18, Hollande 17, Sarkozy 8, Bayrou 6, Joly 5, Le Pen 0, others 0.

EDIT: And 59% of the French who voted in India live in Pondi. It figures - only place you can get a baguette (and quite easily too; it's been adopted as part of the local cuisine). And they lean far more left than the French elsewhere in India. Again, it figures.
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« Reply #490 on: April 28, 2012, 05:19:48 am »
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So, basically...

20h France2: Hollande 36, Sarko 24, Marion 12, Melenchon 12, Bayrou 11, Joly 2

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France Inter: Hollande 48, Melenchon 17, Sarko 13, Bayrou 8, Marion 6, Joly 5

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Le Monde: Hollande 45, Sarko 21, Melenchon 13, Bayrou 8, Marion 7, Joly 5

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« Reply #491 on: April 28, 2012, 05:56:02 am »
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Avignon?!!!

Anyways, a mystery noticed on the night that do need some addressing: does anyone have any idea what the hell happened in Haute-Loire?
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« Reply #492 on: April 28, 2012, 06:00:03 am »
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Avignon?!!!
You mean the city voting leftish, very unlike its surrounds? Is that a new phenomenon in Avignon; even so it'd be part of a general trend o/c?
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I think its always been to the left of its surrounds, but the sore thumb effect is a little startling.
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« Reply #494 on: April 28, 2012, 10:38:57 am »
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Great maps, Hash !

How "classical" they are in a way...
We aren't in 2007 any longer...
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Results for the fifty largest cities in mainland France. Apologies for any errors and inconsistencies, etc:

Paris: Hollande 34.8, Sarkozy 32.2, Mélenchon 11.1, Bayrou 9.3, Le Pen 6.2
Marseille: Hollande 28.1, Sarkozy 26.9, Le Pen 21.2, Mélenchon 13.8, Bayrou 5.5
Lyon: Sarkozy 30.5, Hollande 30.2, Mélenchon 11.8, Bayrou 10.6, Le Pen 9.8
Toulouse: Hollande 34.4, Sarkozy 23.1, Mélenchon 15.9, Le Pen 10.3, Bayrou 9.0
Nice: Sarkozy 34.6, Le Pen 23.0, Hollande 22.4, Mélenchon 9.2, Bayrou 6.3
Nantes: Hollande 31.7, Sarkozy 26.1, Le Pen 12.2, Mélenchon 11.6, Bayrou 11.3
Strasbourg: Hollande 32.1, Sarkozy 27.5, Le Pen 11.9, Mélenchon 11.4, Bayrou 10.4
Montpellier: Hollande 34.9, Sarkozy 21.6, Mélenchon 15.7, Le Pen 13.7, Bayrou 7.4
Bordeaux: Hollande 33.0, Sarkozy 28.7, Mélenchon 12.1, Bayrou 10.9, Le Pen 8.2
Lille: Hollande 35.0, Sarkozy 21.2, Mélenchon 15.4, Le Pen 13.4, Bayrou 8.3
Rennes: Hollande 39.8, Sarkozy 20.9, Mélenchon 13.4, Bayrou 10.5, Le Pen 7.3
Reims: Hollade 30.1, Sarkozy 26.1, Le Pen 18.4, Mélenchon 10.7, Bayrou 9.0
Le Havre: Hollande 30.2, Sarkozy 23.2, Le Pen 17.4, Mélenchon 16.5, Bayrou 7.1
Saint-Étienne: Hollande 32.4, Sarkozy 22.6, Le Pen 17.6, Mélenchon 13.3, Bayrou 8.4
Toulon: Sarkozy 32.2, Le Pen 23.4, Hollande 23.0, Mélenchon 9.5, Bayrou 7.0
Grenoble: Hollande 36.3, Sarkozy 21.3, Mélenchon 15.4, Le Pen 10.9, Bayrou 8.3
Dijon: Hollande 32.4, Sarkozy 27.9, Le Pen 13.4, Mélenchon 10.4, Bayrou 9.7
Angers: Hollande 33.5, Sarkozy 26.9, Bayrou 11.8, Mélenchon 11.1, Le Pen 10.0
Villeurbanne: Hollande 33.8, Sarkozy 24.1, Le Pen 13.4, Mélenchon 12.9, Bayrou 9.2
Le Mans: Hollande 34.5, Sarkozy 23.8, Le Pen 13.4, Mélenchon 12.9, Bayrou 9.4
Aix-en-Provence: Sarkozy 32.8, Hollande 26.8, Le Pen 14.5, Mélenchon 11.2, Bayrou 9.0
Brest: Hollande 37.4, Sarkozy 21.9, Mélenchon 12.5, Le Pen 11.6, Bayrou 9.9
Nîmes: Hollande 27.1, Sarkozy 26.8, Le Pen 20.6, Mélenchon 13.4, Bayrou 7.1
Limoges: Hollande 38.1, Sarkozy 20.7, Le Pen 14.8, Mélenchon 13.2, Bayrou 7.7
Clermont-Ferrand: Hollande 37.8, Sarkozy 19.9, Mélenchon 14.4, Le Pen 12.3, Bayrou 9.4
Tours: Hollande 32.2, Sarkozy 27.0, Mélenchon 12.3, Le Pen 11.6, Bayrou 10.0
Amiens: Hollande 33.7, Sarkozy 22.6, Le Pen 16.5, Mélenchon 13.0, Bayrou 8.4
Metz: Hollande 28.9, Sarkozy 26.7, Le Pen 17.3, Mélenchon 10.9, Bayrou 10.1
Perpignan: Hollande 28.0, Sarkozy 26.5, Le Pen 22.4, Mélenchon 11.5, Bayrou 6.4
Besançon: Hollande 32.8, Sarkozy 24.7, Mélenchon 15.4, Le Pen 11.9, Bayrou 8.5
Orléans: Hollande 32.6, Sarkozy 28.3, Le Pen 12.1, Mélenchon 10.8, Bayrou 9.9
Boulogne-Billancourt: Sarkozy 48.4, Hollande 23.7, Bayrou 10.7, Le Pen 6.5, Mélenchon 6.2
Mulhouse: Hollande 30.8, Sarkozy 26.2, Le Pen 17.5, Mélenchon 10.7, Bayrou 8.9
Rouen: Hollande 33.9, Sarkozy 25.3, Mélenchon 14.0, Le Pen 11.0, Bayrou 9.2
Caen: Hollande 35.1, Sarkozy 25.0, Mélenchon 12.4, Bayrou 10.9, Le Pen 9.4
Nancy: Hollande 31.6, Sarkozy 28.3, Mélenchon 12.0, Bayrou 10.7, Le Pen 10.5
Saint-Denis: Hollande 45.8, Mélenchon 21.7, Sarkozy 12.2, Le Pen 9.9, Bayrou 4.9
Montreuil: Hollande 40.2, Mélenchon 24.1, Sarkozy 13.5., Le Pen 9.3, Bayrou 5.6
Argenteuil: Hollande 38.3, Sarkozy 18.9, Mélenchon 16.4, Le Pen 14.8, Bayrou 6.4
Roubaix: Hollande 41.6, Sarkozy 17.3, Le Pen 15.6, Mélenchon 15.0, Bayrou 5.9
Dunkerque: Hollande 30.8, Le Pen 23.2, Sarkozy 22.5, Mélenchon 11.3, Bayrou 6.5
Tourcoing: Hollande 31.3, Sarkozy 22.4, Le Pen 21.3, Mélenchon 12.7, Bayrou 6.8
Nanterre: Hollande 40.1, Mélenchon 18.6, Sarkozy 17.4, Le Pen 10.7, Bayrou 7.5
Avignon: Hollande 30.8, Sarkozy 23.1, Le Pen 20.5, Mélenchon 13.4, Bayrou 6.4
Créteil: Hollande 39.1, Sarkozy 24.6, Mélenchon 13.6, Le Pen 10.5, Bayrou 6.9
Poitiers: Hollande 37.8, Sarkozy 21.8, Mélenchon 13.7, Le Pen 10.3, Bayrou 9.0
Courbevoie: Sarkozy 39.2, Hollande 28.2, Bayrou 11.8, Le Pen 8.3, Mélenchon 7.5
Versailles: Sarkozy 46.5, Hollande 19.6, Bayrou 12.4, Le Pen 11.2, Mélenchon 5.5
Vitry-sur-Seine: Hollande 37.4, Mélenchon 20.7, Sarkozy 18.1, Le Pen 12.4, Bayrou 6.2
Colombes: Hollande 35.4, Sarkozy 26.1, Mélenchon 13.2, Le Pen 10.1, Bayrou 9.5
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« Reply #496 on: April 28, 2012, 11:54:47 am »
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Hollande won Marseille and lost Lyon ? Wow, that must be a quite right-wing city...
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« Reply #497 on: April 28, 2012, 11:58:05 am »
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Hollande won Marseille and lost Lyon ? Wow, that must be a quite right-wing city...
Note the FN figures... Lyon is a bourgeois city. Also, of course, there's the issue of Villeurbanne being outside the city limits.
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Yeah, Lyon has always leaned towards a certain sort of stodgy bourgeois rightwards political stance. Hilarious that Bayrou finished below Mélenchon there, given its political history.
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« Reply #499 on: April 28, 2012, 12:01:56 pm »
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Also, with the sad exception of Toulon and the obvious one of Versailles, Hollande wins every place on that list that I've visited.
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