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« Reply #600 on: May 06, 2012, 01:11:40 pm »
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Meh, that's a pathetic result. We deserved >54%, at least.
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« Reply #601 on: May 06, 2012, 01:11:48 pm »
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I love the 'The President has left the Elysée' routine the French media perform on election night. What's the added value of some motorbike-riding camera risking his life trying to film the tainted windows of Sarko's car?
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« Reply #602 on: May 06, 2012, 01:11:54 pm »
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Hollande was "elected" based on a 4 point spread in an exit poll?  If so, all I can say is no one would so call an election based on that in the US.

European exit polls tend to be a lot more on the mark than their American counterparts. I suspect it's because turnout is a lot higher so there's little difference between "likely" and "registered voters" in France and other Europeans nations.

To all the naysayers: Hollande isn't in office yet. We have to see how he will govern and how effective he is.
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« Reply #603 on: May 06, 2012, 01:12:44 pm »
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There's also the issue of much of the country actually being counted already, just not formally collated.
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« Reply #604 on: May 06, 2012, 01:13:50 pm »
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Hollande was "elected" based on a 4 point spread in an exit poll?  If so, all I can say is no one would so call an election based on that in the US.

France has 7 exit pollsters, they cannot be all wrong.

The exit polls actually vary from 52 to 53.5% for Hollande.

OK. I would still be a tad leery myself. How does the registered versus likely voters thing affect exit polls, which presumably are of "already voted" voters?  And do they have any vote by mail? I am not saying Hollande has not won, but what I am saying, is that anything less than about 54%, and you need to wait for some raw votes in the US. I think Gore was ahead by at least 6% in the Florida exit poll. So the networks rushed to call it, and the rest is history.
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« Reply #605 on: May 06, 2012, 01:14:08 pm »
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I love the 'The President has left the Elysée' routine the French media perform on election night. What's the added value of some motorbike-riding camera risking his life trying to film the tainted windows of Sarko's car?

It's a 1995 France2 pattern, and then it took all other TVs, ah well...

Everybody find it stupid but everybody would be surprised it doesn't happen I guess ^^
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« Reply #606 on: May 06, 2012, 01:14:14 pm »
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Turnout: 81.5%
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« Reply #607 on: May 06, 2012, 01:14:54 pm »
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Mitterrand took about 51.8% in 1981, interestingly enough.
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« Reply #608 on: May 06, 2012, 01:15:51 pm »
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Allez Hollande!
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« Reply #609 on: May 06, 2012, 01:16:28 pm »
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lol, Morano and Dati's face...allez...SALUT!
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« Reply #610 on: May 06, 2012, 01:18:10 pm »
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Poor Phil. He was absolutely sure. And Holland finally won in an upset haaaaaaahahahahahaha
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« Reply #611 on: May 06, 2012, 01:18:35 pm »
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Mitterrand took about 51.8% in 1981, interestingly enough.

Yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_1981
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« Reply #612 on: May 06, 2012, 01:20:07 pm »
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Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.
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« Reply #613 on: May 06, 2012, 01:20:35 pm »
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Thanks man. I hadn't realized to look at wikipedia.
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« Reply #614 on: May 06, 2012, 01:21:28 pm »
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Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

You're in the wrong thread. That'd be Greece.
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« Reply #615 on: May 06, 2012, 01:21:53 pm »
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So if Hollande messes up what are the chances we see Sarkozy again in 2017? Or does that not happen in France?
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« Reply #616 on: May 06, 2012, 01:22:18 pm »
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Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

Hollande appears to be more in favor of expansionary policies at the expense to Debt/GDP, but still wants to run a surplus by 2017. If he could pull it off, France, not Germany, would be the economic engine of Europe.
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« Reply #617 on: May 06, 2012, 01:22:26 pm »
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Sarkozy is joining Giscard club.

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« Reply #618 on: May 06, 2012, 01:22:31 pm »
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Lot: Hollande 61.89%
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« Reply #619 on: May 06, 2012, 01:23:06 pm »
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Lot 62-38 Hollande
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« Reply #620 on: May 06, 2012, 01:23:25 pm »
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Sarko's audience is really rather noisy and all around annoying.
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« Reply #621 on: May 06, 2012, 01:24:30 pm »
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Does it really matter who runs France?

Between the two guys running today? Not really. Hollande has different bluster but in the end Merkel holds the whip over him same as his predecessor. If Le Pen or Melenchon however, then you'd have potential for something (good or bad- up to you).
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« Reply #622 on: May 06, 2012, 01:24:43 pm »
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No, don't thank him idiots.
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« Reply #623 on: May 06, 2012, 01:25:24 pm »
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Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.
Nah. France (and Sarko) is fairly big, it'll shake the tiny pro-total-deluge bureaucratic minority that currently runs things. Though only, of course, up to a point - PS being a centrist social democratic party. This might prevent your type from self-destructing, but it won't shake your grip on power. Smiley
So if Hollande messes up what are the chances we see Sarkozy again in 2017? Or does that not happen in France?
Happens in France, but won't to that thing. Trust me on that. A Sarkozy that's proven his beatability might as well never have been born in terms of future electability. Not that that ends his type of politics, of course. Not in the slightest.
Sarkozy is joining Giscard club.

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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« Reply #624 on: May 06, 2012, 01:25:52 pm »
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Ariège: Hollande 64.69%
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