France 2012: Official Results Thread

[Democratic Hawk]

Sarko wins Lozere by 45 votes

[Nagas]

Lozère

24,036 - 23,991. So close!

[Tender Branson]

Hollande improves by margins of 5-8% against the Royal results in the mainland disctricts counted so far.

[Andrea]

Over 56% for Hollande in Gers

[Jackson]

Creuse:61-39 Hollande

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

I guess the result of this elections matters a bit for French, since they have been about 81,5% to vote...

The main point was to oust a guy.

So if Hollande messes up what are the chances we see Sarkozy again in 2017?

Nah. Over. Or it would be surprising. It's like asking if Bush 43 could come back...

But amusingly, while the two runners of 2007 ('Nicolas et Ségolène' have been beaten, their 'ideas' have won, especially Nicolas' ones...)

[Vasall des Midas]

Lozère

24,036 - 23,991. So close!

Lol.

[Torie]

Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

You're in the wrong thread. That'd be Greece.

France doesn't have much more running room these days. Anyway, I remember when Mitterrand first won, and had to chuck most of his program pretty quickly, when the Franc started collapsing. The US gets away with more because of its reserve currency status.

[You kip if you want to...]

So that's that then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out there Nicolas.

[Vasall des Midas]

"We're only 7-8 years behind Greece as things are going". Peter Harry Carstensen, allowed to say such things because he wasn't running for reelection

[Andrea]

52.67% for Hollande in Sarthe.
He takes La Reunion with 71%
53.8% for Sarko in Meause

[oakvale]

Sarkozy will be re-ele--- uh, never mind.

[Torie]

Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

Nah. France (and Sarko) is fairly big, it'll shake the tiny pro-total-deluge bureaucratic minority that currently runs things. Though only, of course, up to a point - PS being a centrist social democratic party. This might prevent your type from self-destructing, but it won't shake your grip on power.

So if Hollande messes up what are the chances we see Sarkozy again in 2017? Or does that not happen in France?

Happens in France, but won't to that thing. Trust me on that. A Sarkozy that's proven his beatability might as well never have been born in terms of future electability. Not that that ends his type of politics, of course. Not in the slightest.

Sarkozy is joining Giscard club.

Alas, poor Valery

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Pro total deluge eh?  You mean you think Sarko has policies that will lead to another sans culotte takeover or something, causing a "destruction" of the bourgeoisie? Or is it something more subtle. Or is it just rhetoric.

[Californian Tony]

Yeah, we won. That's great. But still pathetically close. This is unfair, so unfair.

[Torie]

52.67% for Hollande in Sarthe.
He takes La Reunion with 71%
53.8% for Sarko in Meause

Do all of these little provincial numbers fit the pattern as it were?  Numbers without patterns are like shoes without socks.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Hollande was elected.

Finally, Phil made a good post in this thread

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Totally empty speech of Sarkozy, ah but well...'il nous aime!'...

France doesn't have much more running room these days. Anyway, I remember when Mitterrand first won, and had to chuck most of his program pretty quickly, when the Franc started collapsing. The US gets away with more because of its reserve currency status.

France is kinda 'the half' of the 1st World economic area, EU, of which the 1st power, Germany, trade is very dependent, the 2nd diplomatic power in the world in term of embassies, and the third military industry in the world too, while it's not the beginning and the end of everything, for the power that is still left the govts nowadays, I guess it matters a bit still...

That being said, yes, as long as Germany doesn't move, nothing will improve a lot. The coming days in Europe will be interesting to monitor...

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

52.67% for Hollande in Sarthe.
He takes La Reunion with 71%
53.8% for Sarko in Meause

Do all of these little provincial numbers fit the pattern as it were?  Numbers without patterns are like shoes without socks.

lol, someone needs something to bite.

[Vasall des Midas]

Does it really matter who runs France?  I mean, isn't the international economic/debt leash on it so tight now, that the government's only big decision is what color of pencils to use?  Just asking.

Nah. France (and Sarko) is fairly big, it'll shake the tiny pro-total-deluge bureaucratic minority that currently runs things. Though only, of course, up to a point - PS being a centrist social democratic party. This might prevent your type from self-destructing, but it won't shake your grip on power.

So if Hollande messes up what are the chances we see Sarkozy again in 2017? Or does that not happen in France?

Happens in France, but won't to that thing. Trust me on that. A Sarkozy that's proven his beatability might as well never have been born in terms of future electability. Not that that ends his type of politics, of course. Not in the slightest.

Sarkozy is joining Giscard club.

Alas, poor Valery

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Pro total deluge eh?  You mean you think Sarko has policies that will lead to another sans culotte takeover or something, causing a "destruction" of the bourgeoisie? Or is it something more subtle. Or is it just rhetoric.

Nah, just to a self-inflicted economic meltdown of the Eurozone (read all its weaker particles, but if all of them go, then where does that leave the French and German "real" economy? Yeah right.) But it's partly rhetoric, and also partly the booze talking. I warned you all that I'd be quite drunk by the time I'd be back from Karlsruhe.

[Tender Branson]

FAIL !

[I left.]

Yeah, we won. That's great. But still pathetically close. This is unfair, so unfair.

Be happy with what you get!

You won. Your guy gets to run things.

[Nagas]

Yeah, we won. That's great. But still pathetically close. This is unfair, so unfair.

You beat an incumbent and are complaining about the margin if victory? Really? If you transplanted the current PV totals into the American electoral college you'd probably get a win in the low 300s, which while not a landslide, is a strong win. Be happy with your victory.

[Andrea]

52.67% for Hollande in Sarthe.
He takes La Reunion with 71%
53.8% for Sarko in Meause

Do all of these little provincial numbers fit the pattern as it were?  Numbers without patterns are like shoes without socks.

Lozere was 55-45 for Sarko in 2007. Now it's a tie.
Lot had Royal at 56%. Hollande took 61%.
Meuse was won by Sarzo with 56.9% in 2007. Now it's down to 53.8%
Sarthe was 50.5% to 49.5% for Sarkozy. Now it's 52.6% for Hollande

[Californian Tony]

Yeah, we won. That's great. But still pathetically close. This is unfair, so unfair.

Be happy with what you get!

You won. Your guy gets to run things.

Yeah, I know, I'm naturally pessimistic.

But still, a victory wasn't enough tonight. We needed a great victory. This is a pyrrhic one.

[Insula Dei]

To be fair 48+% for Sarko would just be obscene. Let's hope it's close to IFOP's 47.2%