France 2012: Official Results Thread

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Only Bouches-du-Rhone, Haute-Garrone, Essonne, Seine-Saint-Denis and, naturally, Paris, left to report.

With 97.3% reporting:

Hollande: 51.3% (15,696,539)
Sarkozy: 48.7% (14,916,956)

Come on, pull at least 52%!


Edit: Forgot about French abroad

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Anyone have a feeling about how the narrowness of Hollande's victory will impact the legislative elections.  I'm wondering if the rightwing parties will be reenergized because Sarkozy's loss wasnt as big as many expected.

Well, the Right/Far-Right is entering in the storm now, no matter the score of this election, a storm that began on the 22nd of April...

And there is not 'the right wing parties', there are 'some different right-wing parties'.

And maybe some new things happening on the Centre too.

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Edit: Forgot about French abroad

Yes, it's like a big city, about 1,5/2 millions people, don't remember the exact number who have subscribed to electoral lists this year.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Some random stuff:

Sarkozy is the second President of the Fifth Republic to be denied a second term (along with VGE) and the first whose single term was limited to five years

Hollande will be the first President of the Fifth Republic without previous cabinet experience (Pompidou never was a minister as well, but served as Prime Minister)

Hollande will be the second President of the Fifth Republic (after Poison Dwarf) who did not participate in politics under de Gaulle (duh)

Hollande will be the first President living in a domestic partnership

Finally, Hollande will be the first Socialist President during a lifetime of, probably, a half of Atlas posters

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Hollande wins Seine-Saint-Denis 65.3% to 34.7%

Correze lost it's first place, lol.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Only Bouches-du-Rhone, Paris and French abroad not reported yet.


Haute-Garrone:

Hollande: 58.8%
Sarkozy: 41.2%

Essonne:

Hollande: 53.4%
Sarkozy: 46.6%

[Andrea]

Only Bouches-du-Rhone, Paris and French abroad not reported yet.


Haute-Garrone:

Hollande: 58.8%
Sarkozy: 41.2%

Essonne:

Hollande: 53.4%
Sarkozy: 46.6%

Paris
Hollande 55.6
Sarkozy 44.4

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Edit: Forgot about French abroad

Yes, it's like a big city, about 1,5/2 millions people, don't remember the exact number who have subscribed to electoral lists this year.

It's all Hashemite's fault: they are still wondering how to count his vote!

[You kip if you want to...]

Remember 2009 when these guys were nearly beaten by the Greens? Tonight's win is incredible.

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Hollande wins Seine-Saint-Denis 65.3% to 34.7%

Correze lost it's first place, lol.

Tulle saved its honnor with 75

And speaking about Corrèze:



'We did it! Drinking water arrived in Tulle!'

...'lol Corrèze'.

Oh gosh, Hollande exciting crowds with CHANGE! on La Bastille, and using totally empty expression brought up by Sarkozy out of nowhere during this campaign 'Peuple de France', nobody ever used this thing before, so creux.

And speaking about Mitterand (oh gosh, the shadow of 1981 really doesn't help to go ahead, seems like everybody tries to do 'like in 1981'.

Ok, he turns lyrical and megalomaniac now:

'I am the President of French Youth and French Justice!'

'There are people that are watching us all over Europe to bring a big change, a New Era is coming!' (...yeah...so you better have the means not to disappoint them...)

End. Short.

Less ridiculous than Sarkozy on La Concorde 5 years ago though (wasn't hard though), and La Marseillaise instead of Mireille Mathieu might help!, quite energic, but I hope that someone told him that, unlike what Obama and Sarkozy thought, beautiful lyric energic speeches don't necessarily create a desired reality...('magic thought' is trendy nowadays, isn't it?)

Well, I can only wish the best, and that could hardly be worse than what we had before, but I can't wait to see them dealing with reality now...

Vibrant Marseillaise.

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Remember 2009 when these guys were nearly beaten by the Greens? Tonight's win is incredible.

That's one of the biggest Sarkozy's achievement, along with Libya.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Bouches-du-Rhone:

Sarkozy: 52.8%
Hollande: 47.2%

[Californian Tony]

So, Hollande finished below Mitterrand'81. Huzzah.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Almost identically. Mitterrand 1981: 51.76%. Hollande in 2012 (with 99.9% reporting): 51.7%

[Andrea]

Hollande wins Seine-Saint-Denis 65.3% to 34.7%

Correze lost it's first place, lol.

Tulle saved its honnor with 75

but Saint Denis municipality: 77.78%
All those Royals buried in the cathedral are turning in their grave every time

[Meeker]

Is the ex-pat vote expected tonight? Or is one of those things that'll take them a few days to figure out?

[Beet]

Anyone have a feeling about how the narrowness of Hollande's victory will impact the legislative elections.  I'm wondering if the rightwing parties will be reenergized because Sarkozy's loss wasnt as big as many expected.

Well, the Right/Far-Right is entering in the storm now, no matter the score of this election, a storm that began on the 22nd of April...

And there is not 'the right wing parties', there are 'some different right-wing parties'.

And maybe some new things happening on the Centre too.

How to deal with the Right is simple, IMO. The Left must embrace French identity, get tough on immigration. No one likes to feel their culture under threat.

[Senator MaxQue]

Oh gosh, Hollande exciting crowds with CHANGE! on La Bastille, and using totally empty expression brought up by Sarkozy out of nowhere during this campaign 'Peuple de France', nobody ever used this thing before, so creux.

Philippe Corti used it in Intervilles, a few years ago (but I doubt than many here will understand of what I'm talking).

[State Comptroller Atkins]

So do I win?

—-London Mayor Boris Johnson will be re-elected, defeating Ken Livingstone with between 50.5% and 52.5% of the vote.

—- François Hollande will be elected President of France, defeating the incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy, but by a narrower margin than expected (about 51.5% to 48.5% in the second round of voting).

http://leftie501.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/my-2012-predictions/

[big bad fab]

Almost identically. Mitterrand 1981: 51.76%. Hollande in 2012 (with 99.9% reporting): 51.7%

With French abroad, I hope it will be 51.5, not more

Don't be too sad, Antonio.
When you see the first polls for legislative elections, a 1997 scenario is likely.
Of course, between now and June 10th and 17th, there will be many impediments for him: Merkel, Moody's and Fitch, financiel markets, problems in Afghanistan, Melenchon, all the potential ministers who won't be ministers, etc.
Still, I'm doubtful the left won't be able to have a majority.
The problem: will the PS be able to have a mjority on its own ?
How have they been so stupid to give so many potential seats to the Greens ?!
Irepeat myself, but...

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Anyone have a feeling about how the narrowness of Hollande's victory will impact the legislative elections.  I'm wondering if the rightwing parties will be reenergized because Sarkozy's loss wasnt as big as many expected.

Well, the Right/Far-Right is entering in the storm now, no matter the score of this election, a storm that began on the 22nd of April...

And there is not 'the right wing parties', there are 'some different right-wing parties'.

And maybe some new things happening on the Centre too.

How to deal with the Right is simple, IMO. The Left must embrace French identity, get tough on immigration. No one likes to feel their culture under threat.

Once again, you don't know enough Marine Le Pen, to think it's easy to counter her on those topics, and Sarkozy having made a huge 'French kiss' (amusing to use it here) to her ideas during the 2 last years while looking far less credible than her doing blatant pitiful electoralism (you should watch a video compilation of someone called Claude Guéant, amongst other ones), the Left can do nothing against the groth of those ideas here.

Also, about those kinds of topics, and overall French identity, it's something they work on since 5 years, Ségolène Royal did a lot of jobs on those topics, and while they all loathed at her, they all kissed her ideas and are using it now.

Once again, Nicolas and Ségolène both lost, but the 'ideas' of both of them won.

Also, imo, trying to blatantly suck at electoralism helps nobody, no matter people agree with you or not, I think most of the time they prefer people with convictions than people who try pitifully seduce them (hello Obama! how are you??).

Oh gosh, Hollande exciting crowds with CHANGE! on La Bastille, and using totally empty expression brought up by Sarkozy out of nowhere during this campaign 'Peuple de France', nobody ever used this thing before, so creux.

Philippe Corti used it in Intervilles, a few years ago (but I doubt than many here will understand of what I'm talking).

lol, thanks for this historical record .

Loved it as a kid, should watch again.

[Beet]

Anyone have a feeling about how the narrowness of Hollande's victory will impact the legislative elections.  I'm wondering if the rightwing parties will be reenergized because Sarkozy's loss wasnt as big as many expected.

Well, the Right/Far-Right is entering in the storm now, no matter the score of this election, a storm that began on the 22nd of April...

And there is not 'the right wing parties', there are 'some different right-wing parties'.

And maybe some new things happening on the Centre too.

How to deal with the Right is simple, IMO. The Left must embrace French identity, get tough on immigration. No one likes to feel their culture under threat.

Once again, you don't know enough Marine Le Pen, to think it's easy to counter her on those topics, and Sarkozy having made a huge 'French kiss' (amusing to use it here) to her ideas during the 2 last years while looking far less credible than her doing blatant pitiful electoralism (you should watch a video compilation of someone called Claude Guéant, amongst other ones), the Left can do nothing against the groth of those ideas here.

Eh, who says it must be only electoralism without convictions? If you look at French history it is not barren for people on the Left at all... why should French identity be surrendered to the fascists? It reminds me of how American liberals fail to dispute conservative interpretations of the US Constitution.

I agree I do not know about Marine Le Pen as you, I just look at the comments on websites in English, such as the Guardian. I note that most people on the Guardian have positive things to say about her... on a left-wing British website? Why do most people have positive things to say about her? Because, they say, a country has the right to defend its identity, culture. I only know what I read. But perhaps that helps explain the success of FN.

[Californian Tony]

Almost identically. Mitterrand 1981: 51.76%. Hollande in 2012 (with 99.9% reporting): 51.7%

With French abroad, I hope it will be 51.5, not more

Don't be too sad, Antonio.
When you see the first polls for legislative elections, a 1997 scenario is likely.
Of course, between now and June 10th and 17th, there will be many impediments for him: Merkel, Moody's and Fitch, financiel markets, problems in Afghanistan, Melenchon, all the potential ministers who won't be ministers, etc.
Still, I'm doubtful the left won't be able to have a majority.
The problem: will the PS be able to have a mjority on its own ?
How have they been so stupid to give so many potential seats to the Greens ?!
Irepeat myself, but...

Meh, I don't know what to expect anymore. I'm on "wait and see" mode from now on. What I think we need ? We need an absolute majority for the PS, and a solid left win. Ideally 350-400 seats, of which over 300 for the PS. What I think will happen ? No idea. Hell, the right might even pull a win. The voters seem to have gone utterly crazy...

[big bad fab]

Let's see (tomorrow, it's late now ) the polls for the legislatives, the result polls and the maps. Unfortunately, it will be hard for the right, I think.

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Anyone have a feeling about how the narrowness of Hollande's victory will impact the legislative elections.  I'm wondering if the rightwing parties will be reenergized because Sarkozy's loss wasnt as big as many expected.

Well, the Right/Far-Right is entering in the storm now, no matter the score of this election, a storm that began on the 22nd of April...

And there is not 'the right wing parties', there are 'some different right-wing parties'.

And maybe some new things happening on the Centre too.

How to deal with the Right is simple, IMO. The Left must embrace French identity, get tough on immigration. No one likes to feel their culture under threat.

Once again, you don't know enough Marine Le Pen, to think it's easy to counter her on those topics, and Sarkozy having made a huge 'French kiss' (amusing to use it here) to her ideas during the 2 last years while looking far less credible than her doing blatant pitiful electoralism (you should watch a video compilation of someone called Claude Guéant, amongst other ones), the Left can do nothing against the groth of those ideas here.

Eh, who says it must be only electoralism without convictions? If you look at French history it is not barren for people on the Left at all... why should French identity be surrendered to the fascists? It reminds me of how American liberals fail to dispute conservative interpretations of the US Constitution.

I agree I do not know about Marine Le Pen as you, I just look at the comments on websites in English, such as the Guardian. I note that most people on the Guardian have positive things to say about her... on a left-wing British website? Why do most people have positive things to say about her? Because, they say, a country has the right to defend its identity, culture. I only know what I read. But perhaps that helps explain the success of FN.

Oh, the Guardian? Did they hear her comments after the killings in Toulouse and Montauban, just to take the most blatant example of what she can say. She totally irresponsibly exploits racist and xenophobic sentiments by throwing all the contempt she can, and overall against a community which really doesn't need it, especially nowadays, the 'Muslim community' (in case we can make a whole community of it, but that's what most French people do anyways), a 'community' which might be about 10% of the population, and which, in this country, is touched by most problems that can occur in this society.

That's what can be easily called a 'catch-all-populism', so that's mainly someone throwing things that people wanna hear with a quite far-rightist taint, to say the least, and in the meantime trying to display some sane things to look credible, because, unlike her father, she apparently actually wants the power.

And I'm not discussing, nor judging, the fact to put forth the 'national identity', it's not my business here, people defend the political ideas they want, and if PS want to defend it that's their business, the point just being that they go toward in a rather not genuine way, far more in an electoralist way, which is more a problem, playing with fire can burn, if you don't really control fire.

Ah, well, about The Guardian, English try hard but could never get French apparently...