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Democratic Hawk
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« on: April 27, 2012, 07:32:51 PM »

Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k.


Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k
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LucysBeau
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 06:57:55 PM »

Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k.


Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k

You can laugh (I suppose there is a level on which it is funny, though I don't appreciate the humor), but there are far more people motivated to turn out to stop taxes from returning to Clintonian levels than there are to return them to such a state. As a general rule, tax issues help Republicans.

Would it appease to know that I've never cast a ballot in my life on the promise of tax cuts?

Anyway, more to the point, I'm being serious. At the end of the day, sooner or later, the bills are going to have to be paid. $1.4 trillion defiicts aren't sustainable and yes, it is Bush 43 policies (tax cuts, unfunded wars) and the effects of the Great Recession (fall in revenues) which primarily continue to drive 'em. Obama's primary counter-cyclical response was the conservative, as opposed to radical, $800bn ARRA

I'm not adverse to some tax cuts as a means of stimulating economic growth, in the event of an economic downturn, on the understanding that a time may come when they need to be raised. Because if the answer was to cut them, keep them at those rates, cut again .... Where would it end?

Did an economic contraction of 0.3% between April and September 2001 really need $3 trillion in tax cuts to get out of? I wouldn't care had they resulted in balanced budgets, millions and millions and millions of new jobs (in other words, not the fewest number of jobs generated by the US economy this side of Herbert Hoover - read that in the WSJ) and reduction in the gross federal debt as % of GDP

Even Reaganites are critical of the contemporary GOP's anti-tax jihadism (Clinton was able to constrain it), with David Stockman calling Grover Norquist - of whom they appear to be scared sh**tless - nothing short of a "fiscal terrorist"; indeed, Stockman called for the Bush 43 tax cuts to expire on the grounds that they are unaffordable

The only thing standing in the way of a 'Grand Bargain' is the GOP's unwillingness to shift an inch on taxes and yes, there are those with the means to be able to afford to pay Clinton rates); indeed, they want $4.6 trillion more Roll Eyes. Its the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. As for "austerity" what effect, pray, would that have on unemployment? The public sector has lost more jobs during the 'Great Recession' than it did during the 'Monetarist Recession', with what job growth there is coming from the private sector [and that is not something that could be said for GWB's first-term]

November 2000. It wasn't broke and it sure didn't need George W Bush to fix it Roll Eyes. Where did you guys get him from? The bottom drawer?
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 04:46:07 PM »

Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k.


Romney is certainly prepared to win Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Many wealthy SEPA individuals in areas like Gladwyne are quaking in fear at the idea of paying so much additional tax.

"Quaking in fear" at the possibility of taking the top two rates of income tax back to Clinton era levels of 36% and 39.6%, on individuals earning >200k and joint-filers earning >250k

You can laugh (I suppose there is a level on which it is funny, though I don't appreciate the humor), but there are far more people motivated to turn out to stop taxes from returning to Clintonian levels than there are to return them to such a state. As a general rule, tax issues help Republicans.

Yes, of course. After the Democrats basically broke even with 6 figure voters in 2008, they lost them by landslide margins in 2010. Romney is undoubtedly counting on large margins among 6 figure voters and he can and will obtain then by defending them from higher tax.

I don't worship at the altar of supply-side given the extent to which the gross federal debt as a % of GDP spiralled upwards during the 'Eighties', falling back under Bill Clinton Smiley, who constrained the Reactionary Party's anti-tax jihadism, spiralling - AGAIN -from the 'Noughties'-to-present with President Obama having to compromise to secure support for the very folks needing it most - the unemployed. Those of you who believe that is a sustainable course can think again

"Pain" now - on those with the broadest shoulders - to avoid Smiley more pain, as much as anything, later. Take your pick. Or is the Reactionary Party agenda to crash the economy through austerity and pray for a strong recovery to follow? And the hell to those on the sh**tty end
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 06:09:19 PM »


No but they benefit more from a prosperous middle class and on that, given Dumbya's record, the Reactionary Party knows  all about


Unfortunately for you, Obama (unlike Clinton) isn't about a prosperous middle class. Incomes have shrunk and poverty has skyrocketed during his administration.

People like you don't like those facts, but people in Gladwyne aren't likely to care about that.

Perhaps had Dumbya built on the Clinton legacy of prosperity, low unemployment and solvent government ...the US economy may not have hit the crappers to the extent that it did Wink
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 01:47:37 PM »


No but they benefit more from a prosperous middle class and on that, given Dumbya's record, the Reactionary Party knows  all about


Unfortunately for you, Obama (unlike Clinton) isn't about a prosperous middle class. Incomes have shrunk and poverty has skyrocketed during his administration.

People like you don't like those facts, but people in Gladwyne aren't likely to care about that.

Perhaps had Dumbya bult on the Clinton legacy of prosperity, low unemployment and solvent government ... I doubt very much the US economy would have hit the crappers to the extent that it did Wink

Well, when you don't have facts, you make up a baseless hypothetical. Shrug. Congrats on convincing yourself.

Perhaps the voters will seek to continue to Obama record of poverty, shrinking incomes, money tossed to Democratic special interests, and insolvent government. Perhaps not.

As opposed to Republican records of poverty, shrinking incomes, money tossed to Republican special interests, and insolvent government, or as opposed to some mythical antelapsarian state that you believe held sway before January three years ago, perhaps through some sort of political application of the omphalos hypothesis?

If you recall, that statistical record led to the election of a Democratic President. Are you expecting the mirror outcome 4 years later?

DemocraticHawk's position of course seems to describe all 6 figure voters as a Republican special interest. I can agree and live with that as it will lead to another landslide victory by the Republican party among these voters.

Democratic Hawk's position is that the bills have got to be paid. And there will be those 6 figure voters and millions more besides who are rational enough to comprehend that the GOP's anti-tax jihad is, frankly, unaffordable

I know this much I wouldn't vote for new spending (outside of counter-cyclical fiscal stimulus) unless revenues were raised or cuts made elsewhere to - shock horror - pay for it. Its called fiscal responsibility Smiley
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