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« on: April 25, 2012, 06:58:46 pm »
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(Højre (The Right) was the Conservative party and Venstre (The Left) is the Liberals.)


Danish heads of government since 1849:

Count Adam Wilhelm Moltke, 1848-1852 (no party) (eliminated in round 9)

Christian Albrecht Bluhme, 1852-53, 1864-65 (Højre) (eliminated in round 7)

Anders Sandøe Ørsted, 1853-54 (conservative with no party affiliation) (eliminated in round 5)

Peter Georg Bang, 1854-56 (no party) (eliminated in round 5)

Carl Christopher Georg Andræ, 1856-57 (Friends of the Peasants) (eliminated in round 11)

Carl Christian Hall, 1857-59 and 1860-63 (National Liberal) (eliminated in round 2)

Carl Eduard Rotwitt,  1859-60 (Friends of the Peasants) (eliminated in round 5)

Ditlev Gothardt Monrad, 1863-64 (National Liberal) (eliminated in round 8 )

Count Christian Emil Krag-Juel-Vind-Frijs,  1865-70 (Højre) (no party) (eliminated in round 9)

Count Ludvig Holstein-Holsteinsborg, 1870-74 (Centre Party) (eliminated in round 15)

Christen Fonnesbech, 1874-75, (Højre) (eliminated in round 10)

Jacob Brønnum Scavenius Estrup, 1875-94 (Højre) (eliminated in round 5)

Baron Tage Reedtz-Thott, 1894-97 (Højre) (eliminated in round 14)

Hugo Egmont Hørring, 1897-1900 (Højre) (eliminated in round 5)

Hannibal Sehested, 1900-01 (Højre) (eliminated in round 5)

Johan Henrik Deuntzer, 1901-05 (Venstre)  (eliminated in round 7)

Jens Christian "I. C." Christensen, 1905-08 (Venstre)  (eliminated in round 3)

Niels Neergaard, 1908-09 and 1920-24 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 12)

Count Ludvig Holstein-Ledreborg, 1909 (Venstre)  (eliminated in round 13)

Klaus Berntsen, 1910-13 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 12)

Carl Theodor Zahle, 1909-1910 and 1913-20 (Social Liberals)  (eliminated, round 22)

Otto Liebe, 1920 (no party) (eliminated, round 1)

Michael Petersen Friis, 1920 (no party) (eliminated, round 2)

Thomas Madsen-Mygdal,  1926-29 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 6)

Thorvald Stauning, 1924-26 and 1929-42 (Social Democrats)

Vilhelm Buhl, 1942, 1945 (Social Democrats) (eliminated, round 1)

Erik Scavenius,  1942-43 (Social Liberals)  (eliminated, round 1)

Knud Kristensen, 1945-47 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 14)

Hans Hedtoft, 1947-50 and 1953-55  (Social Democrats) (eliminated in round 16)

Erik Eriksen 1950-53 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 17)

Hans Christian ("H. C.") Hansen, 1955-60 (Social Democrats) (eliminated in round 20)

Viggo Kampmann,  1960-62 (Social Democrats) (eliminated in round 4)

Jens Otto Krag, 1962-68 and 1971-72 (Social Democrats) (eliminated in the final)

Hilmar Baunsgaard, 1968-71 (Social Liberals) (eliminated in round 18)

Anker Jørgensen, 1972-73 and 1975-82 (Social Democrats) (eliminated in round 6)

Poul Hartling, 1973-75 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 12)

Poul Schlüter, 1982-93 (Conservative) (eliminated in round 21)

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen,  1993-2001 (Social Democrats) (eliminated in round 19)

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, 2001-2009 (Venstre) (eliminated in round 6)

Lars Løkke Rasmussen,  2009-2011 (Venstre)  (eliminated, round 1)

Helle Thorning-Schmidt, 2011- (Social Democats)  (eliminated, round 3)
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 07:08:47 pm »
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Eliminate:

Liebe
Friis
Scavenius (traitor)
Buhl

Immune:

Stauning
Zahle
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 12:37:45 pm »
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Eliminate:
Thorning-Schmidt
Rasmussen Tongue [all three works fine]


immune
Wilhelm Moltke
Hans Christian
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 03:43:07 pm »
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Thanks for playing Nhoj! Hope someone will join us for next round.

Liebe, Buh, Scavenius and Lars Løkke Rasmussen were eliminated in round 1. H. C. Hansen and Stauning immune in round 2-4.

Ties decided by coin toss.

My votes in round 2:

Friis 3 (not elected)
Hall 2 (got us into war with the Prussians)
Hørning 1
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 05:43:37 pm »

I'm sorry, but I'm more or less done with the game... Tongue
Too lazy to read about them...
6 months ago, it would have been different... Sad
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 08:37:52 am »
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I had to do some research before voting and I'll still have to read more, but for now:

Carl Christian Hall: 3
Anders Fogh Rasmussen: 2
Michael Petersen Friis: 1
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 11:35:32 am »
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3 Helle Thorning-Schmidt
2 Count Ludvig Holstein-Holsteinsborg
1 Michael Petersen Friis
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 02:49:10 pm »
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Result of round 2

C. C. Hall 5
Michael Friis 5

Helle Thorning-Scmidt 3
Ludvig Holstein-Holsteinsborg 2
Anders Fogh Rasmussen 2
Viggo Hørning 1

Hall and Friis eliminated

Round 3:

Eliminate 1 prior to the introduction of universal suffrage in 1915 and 1 after. Zahle can count as both.

My votes:

Before 1915: I. C. Christensen (for allowing his minister of justice P. A. Alberti to swindle more than 200 mio. Euros in todays money from a farmers savings bank. Should have known what the fat bastard was up to!)

After 1915: Anders Fogh Rasmussen for getting us into the Iraq war under false pretences and for allying his Liberal party with the bigots in the Danish Peoples Party.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 06:14:30 pm »
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I had to do some research before voting and I'll still have to read more, but for now:

Carl Christian Hall: 3
Anders Fogh Rasmussen: 2
Michael Petersen Friis: 1

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 12:10:14 pm »
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I had to do some research before voting and I'll still have to read more, but for now:

Carl Christian Hall: 3
Anders Fogh Rasmussen: 2
Michael Petersen Friis: 1

Yeah, I saw that, but temporary votes doesn't work that well in survivor. You need the game to move relatively quickly - especially in the early stage, where its basically about getting rid of dead wood. His choices where pretty consistent (two warmongers and a non-elected interim figure), and I have had no objections from Kal.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 03:54:07 pm »
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I. C. Christensen

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 08:17:38 pm »
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Result of round 3

Eliminated:

I. C. Christensen
Helle Thorning-Schmidt after coin toss

Round 4: BADASS-round!

Four Danish premiers can qualify as badasses. Eliminate one badass and make another immune for 3 rounds.

Jens Otto Krag: Ladykiller with (well deserved) playboy image who built the foundation of the welfare state, while nailing an enormous amount of women - sometimes during state dinners -  and married moviestar Helle Virkner.

Viggo Kampmann: Brilliant economist who was manio-depressive. Often toured the pubs of Copenhagen for days without telling his staff, but still managed to rule the country for two years.

Bishop D. G. Monrad: Maniodepressive rhetorical genius and radical nationalist who stubbornly refused to surrender or compromise in the war of 1864 against Prussia and Austria. Left the country afterwards to become a pioneer in the wilderness of New Zealand.

J. B. S. Estrup: Ruled Denmark for 19 years using provisional budgets and ignoring the parliaments democratically elected second chamber. Created his own private paramilitary mounted gendarmerie. Survived an assassination attempt, where the assailant fired on his coat button, but Estrup kept his cool and just kept walking on his way home. (which is his main claim to being a badass)

My votes:

Eliminate: Monrad
Immune: Krag
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 04:31:08 pm »
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Immune: D. G. Monrad (come on, from Prime Ministrer to a pioneer at the end of the world, that's badass!)

Eliminate: Viggo Kampmann (meh, just two years)
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 05:03:20 am »
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Immune: D. G. Monrad (come on, from Prime Ministrer to a pioneer at the end of the world, that's badass!)

Eliminate: Viggo Kampmann (meh, just two years)
Yeah, but I was going more by their abilities as PM.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 08:33:59 am »
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Eliminate Christen Andreas Fonnesbech (it was hard to find something about him, so I suppose he can go out).

Immune Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (he's someone I know something about)
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 03:30:13 pm »
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Sorry, Julio but you have to choose between the four "badass"-candidates here in round 4.

I agree Fonnesbech is a transitional figure that should go, but Ill make a purge round for transitional figures, mere figureheads and civil servants playing politicians in the next round.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 04:41:04 pm »
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Sorry, Julio but you have to choose between the four "badass"-candidates here in round 4.

I agree Fonnesbech is a transitional figure that should go, but Ill make a purge round for transitional figures, mere figureheads and civil servants playing politicians in the next round.

Ok, I read it but then I didn't remember I had to vote among those 4. So, I suppose I'll vote like you.
Eliminate: Monrad
Immune: Krag

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 07:15:38 pm »
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Immune: D. G. Monrad (
Eliminate: Viggo Kampmann
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2012, 03:21:38 am »
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Results of round 4

After coin toss

Immune: D. G. Monrad (who is probably the most disastrous PM Denmark has ever had  Wink  ).
Eliminated: Viggo Kampmann (by default).

Next round: Round 5 - 19th century dead wood

Eliminate 6 PMs from the 19th century (1849-1901)

My votes: Ørsted, Bang, Rottwitt, Fonnesbech, Hørring, Sehested.

The Eras

1849-1863. Age of Democracy and nationalism
Denmark has Europes most democratic constitution with universal male suffrage and a few liberal reforms get implemented. The academics in the National Liberals are the dominant party. Most of the time nothing is accomplished because all energy is focused on creating a common constitution for democratic Denmark and the absolutist duchies of Holstein (German) and Slesvig/Schleswich/Sleswick (take your pick) with both Danish and German population. Everything is extremely complicated. The Liberals try to find a way to kick those pesky Germans in Holstein out of the realm without loosing Sleswick, while the Conservatives try to keep it all together (and hopefully eliminate most of the democratic reforms in the process).
None of the PMs are really any good. But the Leftists Andræ and Rottwitt at least tries to do something meaningful. A. W. Moltke is chosen because he is affable and the richest man in the country, but presides over a government, that does steer the country through the 1. Sleswick War (1848-51) without too much trouble.

I wanna eliminate P. G. Bang for being a mere figurehead in a government torn between Leftists and National Liberals and legal scholar extraordinaire and failed politician A. S. Ørsted for being ridiculously reactionary.
Leftists Andræ and Rottwitt where inefficient too, and I vote to eliminate Rottwitt just for being a short termer with zero results.

1865-1894. Conservative backlash
The Conservative squires take power after the disastrous defeat in 1864 and creates a reactionary constitution in 1866. The National Liberals go into hiding or join the Cons. In the beginning the peasants just accept the new regime, but soon leftists creates a peasant movement with auxiliary rifle corps and unites in Venstre "The Left" in 1870. Hardman Estrup doesn't give a flying fock, rules by issuing provisional budgets, creates a political police and throws a few hotheads into jail. In the mid 1880s civil war is not unrealistic, but at some point moderates on both sides decides to make one of those boring Danish compromises instead.

I vote to eliminate Fonnesbech, a nice guy who tried to compromise i an era of hardliners and failed miserably.

1894-1901. Waiting for someone to tell the King...
After the leaders of the Liberals and the Conservatives have agreed to stop ignoring parliament everything comes to a halt for 7 years. Nobody dares to tell the king, he has to appoint a peasant or a village school teacher as head of government, so the Conservatives just hang on to power while trying to get along with the Liberals in "The Left". Baron Reedtz-Thott makes it work for a while, but are ousted by hardliners in his own party.

I vote to eliminate Hørring for ruining most of the progress of Reedtz-Thott to no good for his own party and Sehested for being an interim figure.

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2012, 05:30:15 pm »
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Bang
Rottwitt
Holstein
Sleavig
Fonneabech
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 01:24:25 pm »
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Ørsted
Bang
Rottwitt
Hørring,
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 02:38:19 pm »
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Result of round 5:

Eliminated:
Bang 3
Rottwitt 3
Ørsted 2
Hørring 2
Sehested 2
Estrup 2


Other vote getters:
Fonnesbech 2
Holstein(-Holsteinsborg) 1
Invalid 1 (Sleavig)

Fonnesbech saved after coin toss against the 4 others with 2 votes.
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 03:04:05 pm »
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Round 6

Eliminate 3 PMs by voting 3-2-1

Anker Jørgensen 3 (very likeable working class guy with a big heart, but for almost bankrupting Denmark and letting the unions boss him around. On the positive side he did have the guts to support Israel against the Arabs, but that could also be considered kind of a dumb move under the Oil Crisis. Too naive to be PM.)

Anders Fogh Rasmussen 2
For lying about the Iraq war and allying his Liberal Party with the bigots in the Danish Peoples Party.

Madsen-Mygdal 1
Diehard dogmatic Classical Liberal that alienated everybody, including his Conservative allies, with his arrogance and stubbornness. Unable to offer any solutions to the economic crisis after the crash on Wall Street. Paved the way for the Social Democrats to rule Denmark for a looong time.

We still have some dead wood: Fonnesbech, Bluhme etc. But that can wait.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2012, 04:44:28 pm »
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3 Anders Fogh Rasmussen
2 Anker Jørgensen
1 Poul Nyrup Rasmussen

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2012, 05:07:53 pm »
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3 Anders Fogh Rasmussen
2 Anker Jørgensen
1 Poul Nyrup Rasmussen

Fonnesbech had a great beard going Tongue
Yeah I like Fonnesbechs beard too.
A little curious: Nyrup was a pretty succesful PM - both on economic growth, welfare reform and influence in the EU. Did you just pick him for looking geeky? Being named Rasmussen? Or some other reason?
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