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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2012, 09:09:55 pm »
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3 Anders Fogh Rasmussen
2 Anker Jørgensen
1 Poul Nyrup Rasmussen

Fonnesbech had a great beard going Tongue
Yeah I like Fonnesbechs beard too.
A little curious: Nyrup was a pretty succesful PM - both on economic growth, welfare reform and influence in the EU. Did you just pick him for looking geeky? Being named Rasmussen? Or some other reason?
The social democrats lost power with him so i imagine he did something wrong, I was mostly just filling the 1 percent spot with someone though.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2012, 01:29:41 am »
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Oh, too bad I didn't see this before now. Thanks to Politicus for tipping me off.

I vote off:

3 - Anders Fogh Rasmussen
The worst prime minister of my lifetime. He had all the skills but abused them in the worst possible way. We will suffer from the aftermath of this for many years to come.

2 - Knud Kristensen
Useless and played the patriot card too many times, which I despise.

1 - Madsen-Mygdal

So I don't like Venstre. ;-)

Not really sure about the rules here. If I've done something wrong let me know.

Can I make someone immune? If so I pick Nyrup Rasmussen (ideally I would have picked Scavenius, but he was eliminated in the first round).
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2012, 03:11:22 pm »
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Result of round 6:

Anders Fogh Rasmussen 8
Anker Jørgensen 5
Thomas Madsen-Mygdal 2

Knud Kristensen 2
Poul Nyrup Rasmussen 1


AFR, Anker Jørgensen and Thomas Madsen-Mygdal eliminated. M-M after coin toss with Knud Kristensen.

Round 7:

Eliminate 2, give 1 immunity

Eliminate:
- Law professor Johan Deuntzer (a mere figurehead in a government dominated by I. C. Christensen, only appointed so the King didnt have to talk to a village schoolteacher like Christensen, had some sleazy business contacts, didnt do anything to prevent the left wing of his party from splitting away as Radical Liberals (Social Liberals).

- Bluhme, nicknamed "The eternal Bluhme", civil servant acting as a politician whenever a staunch Conservative with no real political aspirations of his own were needed. No results. Not his fault, but still needs to be eliminated.

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Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, because all other recent PMs have been eliminated and he was pretty good at his job.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2012, 04:33:41 pm »
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Carl Christopher Georg Andræ
Johan Deuntzer

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Hilmar Baunsgaard
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 04:02:05 pm »
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Immune:

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen

Eliminate:

Johan Deuntzer
Tage Reedtz-Thott
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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2012, 04:38:52 pm »
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Result of round 7:

Immunity
Nyrup Rasmussen 2
Baunsgaard 1

Elimination
Deuntzer 3
Bluhme 1

Andræ 1
Reedtz-Thott 1
 
Deuntzer and Bluhme  eliminated (after coin toss).

Immunity to Poul Nyrup Rasmussen for the next 3 rounds.

Round 8, normal  round

Ditlev Monrad.
Time to go crazy man! Manio-depressives don't make good war time leaders. He was everything Denmark didn't need in 1864.
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2012, 11:56:03 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2012, 01:05:10 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2012, 06:00:36 pm »
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Result of round 8

Monrad is eliminated

Round 9
Eliminate 2 PMs
My vote:
Fonnesbech
Andræ

Both short termers without results.

The third short termer Holstein-Ledreborg was in office for less than half a year, but he managed to settle the defence question which had been the major divisive issue in Danish politics for decades and unite the warring fractions in the Liberal party. Rather impressive in such a short time actually. Besides I kinda llike the guy, he was a very wealthy aristocrat who sided with the people and fought for universal suffrage and a parliamentary system against the interests of his class, a religious scholar and our only Catholic PM. Sort of a Danish Whig aristocrat.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2012, 07:03:51 pm »
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Time to kill the Lords. By precedence:
Moltke
Andræ
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2012, 07:11:30 pm »
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Time to kill the Lords. By precedence:
Moltke
Andræ
Okay, but Andræ was not a lord. Merely a mathematician of relatively humble origin.
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2012, 10:33:18 pm »
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Count Christian Emil Krag-Juel-Vind-Frijs,

Count Ludvig Holstein-Holsteinsborg,
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2012, 12:46:27 am »
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Time to kill the Lords. By precedence:
Moltke
Andræ
Okay, but Andræ was not a lord. Merely a mathemacian of relatively humble origin.

Oh, you're right. I saw Carl and read Count. So,

Moltke
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2012, 05:27:24 am »
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I realize you guys don't have time to do a lot of research on something as obscure as Danish PMs, but Ill try to keep this thing open a little longer than usual to see if anybody comes along, since the order of elimination is about to get a little weird.

Mogens Frijs got a necessary new constitution through parliament, established an alliance with the peasants and got a number of important reform laws through parliament. There are far worse and less capable PMs left.

Holstein-Holsteinsborg was weaker. His main claim to fame is that he managed to keep Denmark out of the Franco-Prussian war 1870-71, which prevented a potential disaster, perhaps even the annihilation of the country (all though the Brits and Russians probably wouldn't have accepted that).
But he was also a personally well liked and popular guy, who managed to build alliances between old National Liberals and moderate Conservatives and avoid an all out confrontation with the peasants representatives.

If you don't like Conservative squires, Fonnesbech was a wealthy land owner himself and a far less capable politician than either of them. And several 20th century PMs were worse than either H-H and Frijs.
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2012, 05:52:46 am »
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My vote:
Fonnesbech
Andræ

Sounds about right Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2012, 10:01:10 am »
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2012, 12:38:16 pm »
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The only thing that is certain is that he's a douche! What he will infract is uncetain.
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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2012, 12:55:46 pm »
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Result of round 9: Frijs and Moltke eliminated.

Round 10:

Normal round, my vote Poul Hartling.

After the earthquake election in 1973, where right wing populist tax lawyer Mogens Glistrup swept into parliament with 27 followers and a promise to end the income tax, fire all paper pushers and replace the military with an answering machine saying "we surrender" in Russian, theologian Hartling took power with only 22 Liberal MPs and managed to double that in the next election.
But his government accomplished nothing and the Social Democrats returned to power after 18 months. Hartling was a good guy and became UN refugee high commissioner afterwards, but as a PM he was unable to do anything and a broad coalition between the main serious parties would have been much better.
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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2012, 01:03:43 pm »
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2012, 01:14:59 pm »
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Christen Fonnesbech
LOL. Why now and not before?
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« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2012, 05:56:39 pm »
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Christen Fonnesbech
LOL. Why now and not before?
Because now I feel like it Tongue
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« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2012, 05:38:57 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2012, 12:13:55 am »
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2012, 01:40:47 am »
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Result of round 10

Fonnesbech 2
Andræ 1
Hartling 1

Fonnesbech is (finally!) eliminated.

Round 11, normal round

In the 20th century the remaining weak PMs are from the Liberals.The three other centre-right figures were much better than the weakest Liberals and the remaining Social Democrats are either considered great (Stauning, H. C. Hansen and Krag) or good (Hedtoft, Nyrup) by historians.

You guys didn't want too eliminate Hartling (who is an obvious choice), so Ill try someone else.

The two moderate heroes from the constitutional struggle in the 1880s and 90s Klaus Berntsen and Niels Neergaard were both waaay past their prime when they became PMs. Berntsen laid some important groundwork for the Democratic 1915 constitution, but little else. Eminent historian and first class scholar Niels Neergaard was a short termer in his first period and in his second he presided over  a major Banking Scandal in his second term without a proper clean up, a little too focused on sparing the upper class and the court for any unpleasantness IMO.

I vote to eliminate Neergaard who also is remembered as one of the dullest Danish PMs whereas Berntsen provided us with a large stock of classical anecdotes.

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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2012, 07:37:00 am »
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