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Proud Lieberal from Northeast
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 8
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Reply #25 on:
May 12, 2012, 10:02:19 am »
I want to be a hack!
Fredrik Reinfeldt
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Nhoj
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 8
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May 12, 2012, 10:09:46 am »
Goran Persson
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politicus
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 8
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Reply #27 on:
May 13, 2012, 02:53:04 pm »
Result of round 8
I change my vote to Goran Persson in order to avoid a coin toss.
Persson eliminated.
Round 9:
Nils Eden, once more
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 9
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May 13, 2012, 06:00:33 pm »
Nils Eden
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 9
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Reply #29 on:
May 14, 2012, 05:40:35 pm »
Fredrik Reinfeldt
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 10
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Reply #30 on:
May 14, 2012, 06:07:57 pm »
Result of round 9:
Eden eliminated
Round 10, normal round.
We are down to the Top 10 now and its getting harder! The 4 remaining Social Democrats are giants of Swedish politics and de Geer is the founder of modern Sweden. Themptander was an unusually capable PM. Staaf and Lindman played important parts in securing democracy (in very different ways).
Reinfeldt could be a possibility, but the fair thing to do would be to eliminate Hammarskjold first. So that's my bid. After all Reinfeldt did break the Social Democrats monopoly on power by creating a modern brand of "welfare Conservatism", improved the economy in a tough international economic climate and has secured important reforms.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 10
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May 14, 2012, 06:28:40 pm »
Hammarskjold
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 10
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Reply #32 on:
May 15, 2012, 12:20:06 am »
Hjalmar Hammarskjold
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JulioMadrid
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 10
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May 15, 2012, 07:38:28 am »
Fredrik Reinfeldt
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 10
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Reply #34 on:
May 15, 2012, 02:27:26 pm »
Result of round 10
Hammarskjold 3
Reinfeldt 1
Hjalmar Hammarskjold is eliminated.
Round 11, normal round
Fredrik Reinfeldt, a capable and pretty successful PM, but he is up against the big boys now, so its time to go Freddie.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 11
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May 15, 2012, 05:14:29 pm »
Fredrik Reinfeldt
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 11
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May 15, 2012, 09:56:38 pm »
Fredrik Reinfeldt
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 12
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May 16, 2012, 02:49:31 am »
Result of round 11
Fredrik Reinfeldt eliminated 3-0. A quick round, but the regulars had voted unanimously against him and there was no chance Freddie would have survived.
Round 12, normal round:
Robert Themptander
The alternative is Arvid Lindman and I think his historical role in anchoring the Swedish right on the democratic side of the political Gulf (bad metaphor, sorry...) is more important, than Themptander solving the defense question, and RT didn't secure free trade after all, even if he only lost on a technicality.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 12
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Robert Themptander
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 12
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May 16, 2012, 06:43:20 pm »
Quote from: Nhoj on May 16, 2012, 08:09:11 am
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 12
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Result of round 12
Themptander is eliminated 3-0.
Round 13
Now its getting really hard. The top 7 of Swedish PMs are an impressive bunch.
But it has to be Lindman this time for me. Simply because the rest are so damn great. They either ruled Sweden for very long and successful terms or had tremendous international influence like "Branting of Europe". Palme did a little of both.
Both Lindman and Hansson supported eugenics, which counts against them in my book, but was common at the time.
I dislike de Geer for not helping Denmark in 1864 and Hansson for allowing German troop transports to Norway during WW2 and the sale of Swedish iron ore to the Germans. But avoiding war with Germany was the right thing to do for Sweden, so that doesn't make him a bad PM, just a cynic, like most politicians.
As a Scandinavian I cant vote against Staaff
, who secured Norways peacefull split from Sweden in 1905. An inter-Scandinavian civil war at that time would have been horrible.
He was also "the poor mans advocate" whom the reactionaries and militarists hated so much they made asstrays portraying his skull. And he fought the anti-democrats with such vigor and laid the ground work for universal suffrage. Kind of the father of modern Swedish Liberalism too.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 13
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May 17, 2012, 10:38:23 am »
Lindman
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 13
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May 17, 2012, 06:39:43 pm »
Per Albin Hansson
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 13
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May 18, 2012, 02:39:54 am »
Result of round 13
Lindman 2
Per Albin Hansson 1
Lindman eliminated
Round 14, normal round
Hjalmar Branting. Great man on the international stage, but unsuccessful at home, where he lost power twice and failed to gain a majority for the Social Democrats (as everybody expected after the introduction of universal suffrage), also failed to pass labour protection legislation. Had the shortest term in office of the remaining PMs.
I dislike Hansson the most of the remaining PMs, but since he was the founder of "the Swedish model" and historians generally consider him the greatest PM Sweden ever had, it would be hackish to vote him out now. PAH needs to be in the final four.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 14
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May 18, 2012, 07:27:16 am »
OK, Branting.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 14
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Branting
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 14
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May 18, 2012, 06:25:20 pm »
Lindman had one great quality - he made a very firm stand against national socialism within the Swedish right, to the point of personally pretty much destroying the party youth organization which had turned Nazi.
Anyway, for this round it has to be Sweden's most overrated prime minister: Olof Palme, the least successful SAP leader until Mona Sahlin, who brought the country to economic disaster and presided over some of the most disgraceful lies by any Swedish government ever.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 14
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May 18, 2012, 08:06:11 pm »
Quote from: Nhoj on May 18, 2012, 12:05:17 pm
Branting
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 14
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May 19, 2012, 03:13:52 am »
Result of round 14
Branting 4
Palme 1
Branting eliminated
Round 15, normal round
My vote: Olof Palme
Defender of the third world with high international profile, but bad economic management at home. Lost power in 1976 for the first time in 40 years and can be said to have squandered Erlanders inheritance.
This may be influenced by the fact, that I simply like Staaff too much to eliminate him, so do some research on him, if you wanna be fair.
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Re: Swedish prime ministers, round 15
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May 19, 2012, 05:26:00 am »
Ok, fine
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