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« on: April 26, 2012, 08:31:40 pm »
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That seems to be where we are headed if current trends continue -as they seem likely to.  Without labor's money and muscle power, how does the Democratic Party expect to make gains nationally while competing in a landscape structurally shaped (especially in the wake of the FEC vs. Citizens United decision) to favor Republicans? 
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 08:34:43 pm »
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No difference.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 09:13:14 pm »
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Unions are the ultimate factor in keeping their employers in check. They may be among the finest defenses of liberty itself.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 09:48:54 pm »
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Look at the West Coast.

I don't think that labor union presence has affected the Democratic vote very strongly here, but I may be wrong. At least in 2006 and 2008, labor was unimportant. While there are strong labor backgrounds of places like Oakland, Tacoma, Everett, Fresno, etc., Democrats have gotten plenty of support in the Silicon Valley, Seattle's suburbs, and Southern California. Whether or not this is enough, especially to deal with the rise of corporate power is questionable...

The East Coast is probably not in good shape. Progressivism and Social Liberalism that are powerful in the West seem uninspiring in the East. The Northeast will remain Democratic, but the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and other swingy areas are going to be difficult without labor groups.

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 09:54:56 pm »
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The US will be more like mainland China minus the Communism of course.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 10:08:51 pm »
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Look at the West Coast.

I don't think that labor union presence has affected the Democratic vote very strongly here, but I may be wrong. At least in 2006 and 2008, labor was unimportant. While there are strong labor backgrounds of places like Oakland, Tacoma, Everett, Fresno, etc., Democrats have gotten plenty of support in the Silicon Valley, Seattle's suburbs, and Southern California. Whether or not this is enough, especially to deal with the rise of corporate power is questionable...

The East Coast is probably not in good shape. Progressivism and Social Liberalism that are powerful in the West seem uninspiring in the East. The Northeast will remain Democratic, but the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and other swingy areas are going to be difficult without labor groups.



The victories in Ohio and Wisconsin prove that labor is anything but dead. And Silicon Valley Democrats aren't real Democrats. Apple may love equal rights, but not in their sweatshops in China.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 10:19:45 pm »
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Look at the West Coast.

I don't think that labor union presence has affected the Democratic vote very strongly here, but I may be wrong. At least in 2006 and 2008, labor was unimportant. While there are strong labor backgrounds of places like Oakland, Tacoma, Everett, Fresno, etc., Democrats have gotten plenty of support in the Silicon Valley, Seattle's suburbs, and Southern California. Whether or not this is enough, especially to deal with the rise of corporate power is questionable...

The East Coast is probably not in good shape. Progressivism and Social Liberalism that are powerful in the West seem uninspiring in the East. The Northeast will remain Democratic, but the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and other swingy areas are going to be difficult without labor groups.



WA is one of the most heavily unionized states, FTR. They're a huge part of the state Democratic Party's strength.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 11:19:32 pm »
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I'm just saying that Unions have been dead since 1970's, their political contributions aren't that much. Although Boeing engineers held a successful strike in 2000's and there are some movements to attempt to organize IT workers of Seattle, so Labor might become a player again.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 11:27:35 pm »
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For me it's like trying to imagine a wealthy Cleveland or a hilly Ohio or a conservative Obama or a radical pacifist Richard Nixon. The world as I've known it would be so dramatically different that I cannot predict at all what it would look like.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 11:42:30 pm »
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For me it's like trying to imagine a wealthy Cleveland or a hilly Ohio or a conservative Obama or a radical pacifist Richard Nixon. The world as I've known it would be so dramatically different that I cannot predict at all what it would look like.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 11:43:23 pm »
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For me it's like trying to imagine a wealthy Cleveland or a hilly Ohio or a conservative Obama or a radical pacifist Richard Nixon. The world as I've known it would be so dramatically different that I cannot predict at all what it would look like.

Don't really need much imagination for this one.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 08:58:52 am »
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For me it's like trying to imagine a wealthy Cleveland or a hilly Ohio or a conservative Obama or a radical pacifist Richard Nixon. The world as I've known it would be so dramatically different that I cannot predict at all what it would look like.

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What was so bad about that? I never said the labor movement was all bad!?
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 05:51:34 pm »
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For me it's like trying to imagine a wealthy Cleveland or a hilly Ohio or a conservative Obama or a radical pacifist Richard Nixon. The world as I've known it would be so dramatically different that I cannot predict at all what it would look like.

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What was so bad about that? I never said the labor movement was all bad!?

My apologies -I thought you were making a snarky reference to the measly 5% unionized rate nationwide (in the private sector), as if to indicate that to all intents and purposes, we are already living in a nation without viable unions.  Thus rendering my thread redundant.  

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 07:26:06 pm »
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Look at the West Coast.

I don't think that labor union presence has affected the Democratic vote very strongly here, but I may be wrong. At least in 2006 and 2008, labor was unimportant. While there are strong labor backgrounds of places like Oakland, Tacoma, Everett, Fresno, etc., Democrats have gotten plenty of support in the Silicon Valley, Seattle's suburbs, and Southern California. Whether or not this is enough, especially to deal with the rise of corporate power is questionable...

The East Coast is probably not in good shape. Progressivism and Social Liberalism that are powerful in the West seem uninspiring in the East. The Northeast will remain Democratic, but the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and other swingy areas are going to be difficult without labor groups.


Yeah the Public Works Unions in NJ have been an annoyance to the state. Crap like you get to retire but you can still work in your public sector job should be illegal. Dual public sector jobs should be illegal as well but they are not. How long have you been tenured as a teacher outweights your effectiveness as a teacher. The NJEA is to blame for this rule not being imposed which both President Obama and Governor Christie actually agree that this rule should be imposed I think.
Before Governor Christie became our Governor teachers didn't pay one penny for their health insurance. Governor Christie is like well they should pay something. So it was 2% that they have to put in now. I was like only 2%? I was like they should be paying 15%.
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