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« on: April 28, 2012, 07:15:23 pm »
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http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/04/28/savages-great-new-sh**tstorm
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 08:06:27 pm »
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Savage should shut up.  He's just hurting the entire "It Gets Better" thing this way.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2012, 08:10:23 pm »
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Supercilious words from a supercilious HP, citing at one point a considerably more H P.
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I didn't really read it, tbh.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2012, 08:18:20 pm »
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Link gets broken by the profanity filter, and there doesn't appear to be any way to fix it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2012, 08:27:46 pm »
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Link gets broken by the profanity filter, and there doesn't appear to be any way to fix it.

Copy/paste it into the address bar and fix it manually?
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 08:50:34 pm »
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Wow.  I thought Dan Savage was a man of tolerance.  Very disappointing to see.

I applaud the students who left the auditorium.  The gay rights movement was established to obstruct bigotry and divisiveness, not create more of it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2012, 09:36:31 pm »
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Geez people it's not hard to fix URLs like that: http://bit.ly/Ih2q4e

Now I generally like Savage, but he's being a douche here, and it's even worse when you consider how many other people involved in the It Gets Better campaign are Christians, or even clergy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 09:42:07 pm »
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His delivery could have been better, but I'm curious why you all seem to think his message is incorrect.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 10:31:40 pm »
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Jeez, Christians get so sensitive when the bullsh**t in their 'sacred document' is called out.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 10:43:04 pm »
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I think using the words he did in reference to high school students is a bit much.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 10:51:16 pm »
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I think using the words he did in reference to high school students is a bit much.

Nah, it's not like high schoolers are unfamiliar with bad language.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 01:15:11 am »
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I think using the words he did in reference to high school students is a bit much.

Nah, it's not like high schoolers are unfamiliar with bad language.

They are probably unfamiliar with a 45-year-old man calling them that in public.
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 11:38:32 am »
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Jeez, Christians get so sensitive when the bullsh**t in their 'sacred document' is called out.
Compared to Muslims- for example- who take to murder when it happens to their document?
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 01:23:50 pm »
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Sure, it's "offensive," but does anyone have a critical response to offer that isn't weak and intellectually lazy?
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 01:37:44 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 02:18:49 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 02:20:50 pm »
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He's obviously correct.  It is as greenforest32 points out a double standard that he is being attacked for criticizing a group like this - if one attacked the Nazis or the KKK one would be greeted with accolades.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 02:28:45 pm »
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I'm curious why people seem to think we should craft public policy based on texts such as the Bible while they simultaneously remain immune to critique. If you want to create laws based off of the Bible, if you want to force your personal religious beliefs on the rest of us, then that opens it up to criticism. And in this situation we are still not the bigots, as you are the ones trying to force your beliefs on us, while we merely want you to leave us alone. That makes the religious right the bigots.

But the Republican victim complex is difficult to overcome, so we're probably just wasting our time.
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 02:34:49 pm »
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Obviously none of the Christians who attended the speech interpret the Bible the way Savage thinks every Christian does let alone tie their political convictions to religious faith, otherwise they would have never went in the first place.  Can we honestly not see the irony here in promoting divisiveness at a cause that fights to break divisiveness?
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 02:46:04 pm »
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Scott is right- I am for gay marriage and against discrimination against gays- my problem is not his point but the fact that he is aiming to divide...and also bullies students when he aims to prevent bullying

Savage hurts his cause more then any other gay rights activist...
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 03:06:06 pm »
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Whatever about the delivery, I can't say I disagree with his point at all.
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 03:39:35 pm »
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Whatever about the delivery, I can't say I disagree with his point at all.

^^^^

This. I'm still waiting to hear a counter to his overall argument.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 04:21:13 pm »
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Whatever about the delivery, I can't say I disagree with his point at all.

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This. I'm still waiting to hear a counter to his overall argument.

Well, I suppose it is trolling, isn't it?
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 06:12:03 pm »
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(I can't believe I have to self-censor...)

Why would a book written by Jews support Anti-Semitism? Their's nothing about Blacks in the Bible at all either. As for the slaves, that only applied to the Jews of the day.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2012, 08:26:40 pm »
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Yeah, the fact that Sam Harris seems to think that slavery should have been the 'easiest moral question' to people living in Bible times says more about Sam Harris's sense of history than it does about the Bible.
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