Dutch general election - September 2012

[Earthling]

When will actual results start coming up ?

The results are coming in.

[Insula Dei]

When will actual results start coming up ?

As we speak. Wev'e already had Schiermonniksoog, Vlieland, and Rozendaal. The habitual early reporters.

[Antonio the Sixth]

3 municipalities, over one hour after polls have closed... Gosh, that takes time.

[Iannis]

When will actual results start coming up ?

As we speak. Wev'e already had Schiermonniksoog, Vlieland, and Rozendaal. The habitual early reporters.

One link to follow the results?

[jeron]

3 municipalities, over one hour after polls have closed... Gosh, that takes time.

We've had to vote with red pencil and paper again....

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, I have to leave in about 40 m, so I hope in the meantime something more consistent will come...

[Insula Dei]

Well, I have to leave in about 40 m, so I hope in the meantime something more consistent will come...

It could be tomorrow before we now who will be the largest party.

[jeron]

Well, I have to leave in about 40 m, so I hope in the meantime something more consistent will come...

I wouldn't count on it. It took Amsterdam until after midnight to count all votes last time

[nimh]

As we speak. Wev'e already had Schiermonniksoog, Vlieland, and Rozendaal. The habitual early reporters.

The results in Schiermonnikoog were apparently somewhat skewed because 60 SGP youths travelled to Schiermonnikoog to vote there, taking up the local SGP vote from 0.4% to some 6%.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I see... Well, this seems even worse than US elections. I pity those who are in Europe right now.

[Leftbehind]

One link to follow the results?

Posted earlier in the thread: http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/politiek24/

Scroll down past the bar chart to the table - they're on the left.

[Insula Dei]

GL supporters booing Rutte when Sap congratulated him during her speech.

[nimh]

Some striking variations from place to place here. On the island of Vlieland, where the VVD was the largest party, it actually lost votes. But in Renswoude, the party went from 22% to 37%.

Also in: the Dutch Reformed stronghold of Hardinxveld-Giessendam. The Christian Union and the SGP, together good for about 5% of the national vote, pool 38% of the vote in this agrarian community, up a tad from 2010.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Photos are good, so here are photos: http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/2012/09/12/de-lijsttrekkers-naar-de-stembus/

[jeron]

Vaals (in the south at the border with belgium)
1989. CDA. 40.7 percent
2012  CDA. 8.9 percent

CDA crushed in its traditional catholic stronghold in the south

[RogueBeaver]

Vaals (in the south at the border with belgium)
1989. CDA. 40.7 percent
2012  CDA. 8.9 percent

CDA crushed in its traditional catholic stronghold in the south

So their third-party status is permanent then?

[Insula Dei]

Vaals (in the south at the border with belgium)
1989. CDA. 40.7 percent
2012  CDA. 8.9 percent

CDA crushed in its traditional catholic stronghold in the south

On the short-term the PVV lost 10% there compared to 2010.

[The Simpsons Cinematic Universe]

This image of Geert Wilders crying will be forever saved to my computer.

The SP could have done so much better were it not for their performance in the debates. Unfortunate.

[hawkeye59]

This is a huge loss for euroskeptics. Also, is there a shot of Samsom becoming PM with VvD in the government?

[Insula Dei]

This is a huge loss for euroskeptics. Also, is there a shot of Samsom becoming PM with VvD in the government?

If PvdA has more seats than VVD, yes.

[nimh]

CDA crushed in its traditional catholic stronghold in the south

So their third-party status is permanent then?

Who knows .. they were already relegated to third-party status once, in the 90s, before surging back under Balkenende. But they're in a lot worse state now, at less than half the seats they had then.

In particular, the CDA seems to be singularly unable to hold its old strongholds in the Catholic South. It's surviving better, relatively speaking I mean, in the protestant (but not fundamentalist) East and North. (Based on the 2010 results, when the party had already cratered, and a poll with data by region I saw this week).

[jeron]

CDA crushed in its traditional catholic stronghold in the south

So their third-party status is permanent then?

Who knows .. they were already relegated to third-party status once, in the 90s, before surging back under Balkenende. But they're in a lot worse state now, at less than half the seats they had then.

In particular, the CDA seems to be singularly unable to hold its old strongholds in the Catholic South. It's surviving better, relatively speaking I mean, in the protestant (but not fundamentalist) East and North. (Based on the 2010 results, when the party had already cratered, and a poll with data by region I saw this week).

CDA is also doing beter among catholics in the east than among catholics in the south. In many municipalities in the south CDA has finished fourth or fifth this time.

[Zanas]

I really can't trust an electorate that is capable of switching in three weeks from SP 35 PvdA 20 towards PvdA 40 SP 15 !! Even though they don't have first past the post where that could *at least* make sense, but friggin' proportional representation !! Why do nobody have something like a political culture nowadays ? Why don't anyone have some kind of political consistency ?

And also, why the f***ing hell would they vote for government moderate centerish rubbish parties that will keep doing the exact f***ing same thing that put them all in deep sh!t in the first place ?

It's official, I now resume hating the Dutch voters.

The only two _good_ news I can think of are the collapse of PVV, but I do not get it either, but it feels good of course, and the PvdD keeping their 2 seats, cause I'm kind of a vegetarian.

Oh, AND one last thing : nobody calls left-wing a party that is ready to govern with the right, whatever its motives on bloody debt reduction or sh!t may be : you govern with the right, except maybe in time of war or invasion, you're center, so you're right-wing. Period. PvdA is right-wing, SPD is, SPÖ is.

[Iannis]

I really can't trust an electorate that is capable of switching in three weeks from SP 35 PvdA 20 towards PvdA 40 SP 15 !! Even though they don't have first past the post where that could *at least* make sense, but friggin' proportional representation !! Why do nobody have something like a political culture nowadays ? Why don't anyone have some kind of political consistency ?

And also, why the f***ing hell would they vote for government moderate centerish rubbish parties that will keep doing the exact f***ing same thing that put them all in deep sh!t in the first place ?

It's official, I now resume hating the Dutch voters.

The only two _good_ news I can think of are the collapse of PVV, but I do not get it either, but it feels good of course, and the PvdD keeping their 2 seats, cause I'm kind of a vegetarian.

Oh, AND one last thing : nobody calls left-wing a party that is ready to govern with the right, whatever its motives on bloody debt reduction or sh!t may be : you govern with the right, except maybe in time of war or invasion, you're center, so you're right-wing. Period. PvdA is right-wing, SPD is, SPÖ is.

Don't you think that maybe the crazy attitude was when so many people declared to vote SP and not now? because historically PVDA has always had more votes than SP, so they have just gone back to their usual attitude. And probably dutch socialdemocrats are simply more keen to find a compromise with VVD on remaining in a stable pro-Europe pattern than trying some euroskeptic experiment, like they did in the past (Kok government, which was also a positive period for economy)

[nimh]

you're center, so you're right-wing. Period.

Mm. I share your bitterness about all the floating voters rushing back from their SP preference to the Labour mothership because they happen to have a smart-sounding leader again ... but this makes no sense to me. If you're center, you're center. Right-wingers are right-wingers, centrists are centrists, left-wingers are left-wingers.

You can argue that the PvdA is more a centrist party than a left-wing party, but there's no automatic way in which everyone who is centrist magically therefore is, *really*, right-wing.

Only way I see that work is if you'd go with a kind of "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality, where everyone who is not actively on your side is ipse facto a guilty member of the opposite side, but that kind of logic (made famous by creepy leaders from Lenin to George W. Bush) strikes me as a bit disturbing.