Dutch general election - September 2012

[minionofmidas]

One of these days someone is going to have to explain the Dutch electorate (as it is now) to me.

They're sane insofar as they do not like and feel little attachment to their political parties, but otherwise fairly bonkers. They also offer a good glimpse at the probable future of the German body politic.

I think that should suffice as explanation.

[Insula Dei]

I blame the media. There's no limit to the idiocy that will pass unchallenged on Dutch television screens.

[Insula Dei]

Anyway the new Politieke Barometer poll for the NOS:

VVD: 34
PvdA: 32
SP: 22
PVV: 20
CDA: 14
D66: 13
CU: 6
GL: 4
PvdD: 3
SGP: 2
50+: 2

[You kip if you want to...]

Anyway the new Politieke Barometer poll for the NOS:

VVD: 34
PvdA: 32
SP: 22
PVV: 20
CDA: 14
D66: 13
CU: 6
GL: 4
PvdD: 3
SGP: 2
50+: 2

Wouldn't be shocked if PvdA took the lead at some point. The momentum's real.

[freek]

Anyway the new Politieke Barometer poll for the NOS:

VVD: 34
PvdA: 32
SP: 22
PVV: 20
CDA: 14
D66: 13
CU: 6
GL: 4
PvdD: 3
SGP: 2
50+: 2

And also a new EenVandaag poll (compared with the same poll, of August 29)

VVD 34 (+1)
PvdA 30 (+9)
SP 26 (-4)
PVV 17 (-1)
D66 12 (-2)
CDA 12 (-1)
CU 7 (nc)
GL 4 (nc)
SGP 3 (nc)
50PLUS 3 (-1)
PvdD 2 (-1)

[freek]

"Test your political preference in 30 statements", in English:
http://www.stemwijzer.nl/VM2012/index.html

It's similar to the German Wahl-O-Mat.

My result: a 4-way tie

[Leftbehind]

[MaxQue]

1st tie between PvdA and Piraten, 3rd SP, 4th 50Plus (even if I'm not nearly being 50!), 5th GroenLinks and PvdDieren.

The VVD is last.

[Iannis]

Mmmmh

1st place D66, then VVD, then GL,  and NEderland Lokaal, who are Nederland Lokal?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

My list is really weird. I agree most with VVD (which is what I thought) followed by SP, SGP, Animal Party, and Pirate Party... WTF?

[Franzl]

My list is really weird. I agree most with VVD (which is what I thought) followed by SP, SGP, Animal Party, and Pirate Party... WTF?

I've never understood the Dutch party system...

[freek]

Mmmmh

1st place D66, then VVD, then GL,  and NEderland Lokaal, who are Nederland Lokal?

It's a grouping of municipal councillors of local/independent parties, usually from rural regions.

[Хahar 🤔]

In order: SP, PvdD, PvdA, GL, PVV, CDA, CU, D66, SGP, VVD

Why does GL support abolishing student grants?

[Phony Moderate]

50Plus   
SP   
ChristenUnie   
PvdA   
GroenLinks   
Partij voor de Dieren   
PVV   
CDA   
D66   
SGP   
VVD

Strange.

[YL]

I was unsure about quite a few of the questions (e.g. the broadcasting one - I couldn't be bothered to look up the current system or what the suggested alternatives are) but got
SP
PvdA
PvdD
GL
PVV
CDA
D66
CU
SGP
VVD
with not much between the top four.

PVV should surely be lower, and I'd have thought that D66 would be higher.

[Boris]

PvdA   
D66   
SP   
CDA   
Piratenpartij   
ChristenUnie   
Partij voor de Dieren   
PVV   
GroenLinks   
SGP   
50Plus   
VVD   

I listed coffee shops as the only important issue.

[freek]

In order: SP, PvdD, PvdA, GL, PVV, CDA, CU, D66, SGP, VVD

Why does GL support abolishing student grants?

GL reasons that graduates will have higher income due to their education, and therefore will be able to repay the low interest student loans that are provided by the government. Repayments will be based on the income of graduates, and after a certain number of years an eventual remainder will be converted into a grant.

Essentially this is the same system that already exists, the only difference being that until now the loan (or a part of it) is already converted automatically into a grant after graduation.

[freek]

Latest Peil.nl/Maurice de Hond poll:
VVD 33
PvdA 32
SP 23
PVV 19
D66 13
CDA 12
CU 5
GL 4
SGP 3
PvdD 3
50PLUS 3
Other 0

[freek]

Tomorrow, another debate will be broadcast. Political leaders were interviewed by the news programme for children. They will answer questions of children, debate some statements, and have a balloon inflation contest:



(left to right: Roemer, Samsom, Buma, Wilders and Rutte)

[Niemeyerite]

Tomorrow, another debate will be broadcast. Political leaders were interviewed by the news programme for children. They will answer questions of children, debate some statements, and have a balloon inflation contest:



(left to right: Roemer, Samsom, Buma, Wilders and Rutte)

Roemer should get a bounce from this.

[Supersonic]

Tomorrow, another debate will be broadcast. Political leaders were interviewed by the news programme for children. They will answer questions of children, debate some statements, and have a balloon inflation contest:



(left to right: Roemer, Samsom, Buma, Wilders and Rutte)

Roemer should get a bounce from this.

Is this for real? Like, really real?

I'm digging the party hats though.

[freek]

Roemer should get a bounce from this.

He's illustrating how inflation will be ballooning when the SP comes to power.

Is this for real? Like, really real?

I'm digging the party hats though.

Yes, this is real, has been organised for the 3rd time, and it is quite popular with the party leaders. It is an opportunity to 'show their human side'.

Btw, it wasn't limited to party hats:

[freek]

In the latest Peil.nl/Maurice de Hond poll, a few additional questions were asked:

Which party do you hope to become the largest party, VVD or PvdA?
('Geen voorkeur' = no preference)


If VVD and PvdA remain this close in the polls, do you intend to vote strategically for VVD or PvdA?
(Shown is the percentage of voters that will switch for sure ('zeker'), or give it a large chance ('grote kans')



If 80% of the 'sure' group, and 40% of the 'large chance' group (apparently the maximum strategic vote effect), really switch to VVD and PvdA, this gives the following result:

[You kip if you want to...]

PvdA+SP+D66+GL+CU = 77.