Dutch general election - September 2012

[lilTommy]

WOW, whats happeneing with the SP? in 2010 they go 9.9%, which was a huge slap to them... what happened in 2010 vs now?
28% puts them even higher than 2006, 12% higher!
My instinct is that they are gaining off PvdA but they are up over 2010 aswell, marginally so maybe 3% but...
Are we seeing a resurgence of the Left of the Left?
In Denmark F (socialist peoples) took a hit but the vote just looked to shift to Red-Green.

[lilTommy]

28% puts them even higher than 2006, 12% higher!

Not 28% but 28 of 150 seats, only 3 seats more than in 2006.

Thanks for clearning that up... so it does look like SP is pulling from PvdA, have they replaced them as the new left option? any reason for the bounce back from 2010

[lilTommy]

Are we seeing a resurgence of the Left of the Left?

Hope so

It's interesting how the leftist parties are rising across Europe - situation of Die Linke seems not so bright.

Die Linke seems to be a mess right now, and have been usurped by the Pirates somehow... which is sad seeing as they are a one-issue, protest vote party. (it appears to be at least)

[lilTommy]

Hasn't Italy had some governments led by people from successor parties to the Communist Party of Italy?

Yes, but the PCI became almost Social Democratic in the end, no more left wing than PS in France. It was Euro-communist from the late 60s and then became more and more moderate. So thats not really remarkable.

They became the Democrats of the Left, a SD party for sure with more lefty elements becoming the Communist Refoundation (i think)... and because its Italy none of those parties exist anymore

The very reason why the Communists lasted as long as they did was because they were more moderate and not beholden to Moscow, plus they had governed in towns all over so people knew them and weren't scare (or THAT scared of them)

We could have SYRIZA in Greece and SP in The Netherlands... huh, Europe sure swings don't it

[lilTommy]

WOW... so one is SP leads, one VVD leads, the other a tie... this is going to be close

[lilTommy]

So, with 63% counted, it's :

VVD : 40 (+9)
PvdA : 39 (+9)
PVV : 15 (-9)
SP : 15 (NC)
CDA : 13 (-8)
D66 : 12 (+2)
CU : 5 (NC)
GL : 3 (-7)

That's... interesting. The SP result is a huge disappointment, and the left overall seems to be underperforming a bit. The PVV's debacle however is quite rejoicing, and it's fun to see the CDA fall into irrelevancy after decades of political prominence. And at least, there is still a tiny chance that PvdA overtakes VVD (though I wouldn't bet on it). Oh, can someone explain me what happened to GroenLinks ?

Huge improvement compared to the previous parliament, anyways.

... You took the question right out of my mouth, what happened with the GL? we already discussed CDA and PVV. The D66 has gained some as well, any reason there since most of the "smaller" parties seemed to lose ground

Also, even though SP stagnated in the end; they have moved from the 5th party to the 4th party