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« on: May 01, 2012, 01:03:24 pm »
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New Poll: Virginia President by Public Policy Polling on 2012-04-29

Summary: D: 50%, R: 38%, I: 5%, U: 7%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details

Q7 If the candidates for President this year were

Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt

Romney, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 51%

Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%

Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q9 If the candidates for President this fall were
Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt
Romney, and Constitution Party candidate
Virgil Goode, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 38%
Virgil Goode .................................................... 5%
Undecided....................................................... 7%
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 01:14:49 pm »
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Q9 If the candidates for President this fall were
Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt
Romney, and Constitution Party candidate
Virgil Goode, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 38%
Virgil Goode .................................................... 5%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 01:15:12 pm »
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Virginia has made a total 180 in less than 10 years
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 02:03:11 pm »
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Virginia has made a total 180 in less than 10 years

It seems like a lot of the top growing states in absolute numbers (TX, CA, FL, GA, NC, AZ, VA) are slowly trending away from Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census#State_rankings
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 02:05:33 pm »
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Sadly, those growth areas aren't where real Democrats come from. I'd prefer a tough progressive party to the wishy-washy suburban neoliberals we're getting in the Sunbelt.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 03:34:21 pm »
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Virginia has made a total 180 in less than 10 years

Virginia used to be one of the most reliable R states in Presidential elections. Clinton never won the state. It was the only former Confederate State that Jimmy Carter didn't get in 1976.

I'm not sure that it has quite turned 180 degrees. It is close to the national average. I am not sure that the 8% margin for President Obama is valid, but the challenge of someone on the Right as a meaningful alternative to Mitt Romney (Constitution, Libertarian, Conservative) looks like an unmitigated disaster for Romney.

Conservative third-party alternative candidates could swing such states as Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, and Montana and cause the President to hold onto Indiana and one of the districts of Nebraska.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 05:01:17 pm »
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Sadly, those growth areas aren't where real Democrats come from. I'd prefer a tough progressive party to the wishy-washy suburban neoliberals we're getting in the Sunbelt.

well those suburban neo liberals have kept many states blue while the working class dems have been flirting with the GOP for years. Pennsylvania is a good example, it has stayed a democratic state since 1988 thanks to Philly suburbanites consistently voting for the Dem nominee. If democrats hadn't picked up those voters, the Republican trend in western PA would have turned the whole state red.

And really, if these blue collar workers still aren't convinced that the Democratic party is the one truly fighting for them, do we even want them in our coalition?
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 05:04:24 pm »
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They're not convinced because Clinton and Obama have sold them out time and time again. Affluent suburbia drags our party to the center because they care more about same-sex marriage than, say, the right to form a union or keeping manufacturing in the United States. They don't care about the worker.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 05:09:00 pm »
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They're not convinced because Clinton and Obama have sold them out time and time again. Affluent suburbia drags our party to the center because they care more about same-sex marriage than, say, the right to form a union or keeping manufacturing in the United States. They don't care about the worker.

You could say the same thing about many blue collar dems. They also care more about same sex marriage than union rights. Many let GOP cultural talking points cloud the economic issues that really matter. And between Obama and Romney, it's still clear that one man cares more about the average worker than the other one does.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 05:38:10 pm »
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They're not convinced because Clinton and Obama have sold them out time and time again. Affluent suburbia drags our party to the center because they care more about same-sex marriage than, say, the right to form a union or keeping manufacturing in the United States. They don't care about the worker.

You could say the same thing about many blue collar dems. They also care more about same sex marriage than union rights. Many let GOP cultural talking points cloud the economic issues that really matter. And between Obama and Romney, it's still clear that one man cares more about the average worker than the other one does.

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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 06:14:11 pm »
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Religion is quite an enabler of neoliberalism. Part of the reason I want to see it die off
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 06:15:27 pm »
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If Obama's leading by 8 in VA, he should be leading/tied with Romney in North Carolina.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 06:17:14 pm »
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They're not convinced because Clinton and Obama have sold them out time and time again. Affluent suburbia drags our party to the center because they care more about same-sex marriage than, say, the right to form a union or keeping manufacturing in the United States. They don't care about the worker.

You could say the same thing about many blue collar dems. They also care more about same sex marriage than union rights. Many let GOP cultural talking points cloud the economic issues that really matter. And between Obama and Romney, it's still clear that one man cares more about the average worker than the other one does.

Then we need to dig into the economic issues in the way we haven't. We've danced around the issue while supporting extended free trade agreements and allowed greater outsourcing. You win a voter group with a platform that appeals to them, and standing in favor of real reform and against the elites, the donors who control both parties, will give the Democrats a winning coalition of blacks, Hispanics, and blue-collar whites.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 06:40:53 pm »
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I don't see why the democratic party can't fight for both equal rights and economic fairness, as both platforms seek to help the disadvantaged and underprivileged, which has been the base of the party for many years. If certain people can't stomach voting for a party that fights for gay rights and union benefits, then it's their loss.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 07:00:00 pm »
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The gay rights fight is simple; after winning in 2012, let Obama replace the old conservatives and wait for a case to come up.

And we have to prioritize; more people are suffering without a job than without a marriage license.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 07:05:01 pm »
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I don't see why the democratic party can't fight for both equal rights and economic fairness, as both platforms seek to help the disadvantaged and underprivileged, which has been the base of the party for many years. If certain people can't stomach voting for a party that fights for gay rights and union benefits, then it's their loss.

I agree, this isn't an either/or proposition...

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I'm not sure that it has quite turned 180 degrees. It is close to the national average. I am not sure that the 8% margin for President Obama is valid, but the challenge of someone on the Right as a meaningful alternative to Mitt Romney (Constitution, Libertarian, Conservative) looks like an unmitigated disaster for Romney.

Well, one of us has been posting this pretty consistantly. If Virgil Goode hits 15 percent nationally, this election is over.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 02:53:01 am »
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Most of that 5% is probably not specific to Goode, but shows openness to a nonRomney, nonObama candidate. I'm surprised 38% of Virginians know enough of Goode to have an opinion about him.  I wish they did a regional breakdown to see if support for him was much higher in his CD.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 03:46:50 am »
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Religion is quite an enabler of neoliberalism. Part of the reason I want to see it die off
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Snowie: Biggest Sunbelt gains are among growing minorities, and are more likely to stick to the Democratic party if we bring labor back into the equation. There is a long tradition of social democracy in Latin America, I don't think white voters in Rust Belt/Midwest would accept a true left platform outside of maybe Michigan and obviously polarized IL. If you want to bring back social justice in the short-term in US your best bet is for Democrats to nominate someone Hispanic in 2016 and hope they can swing Texas & Arizona not lose everything else because of unprecedented minority turnout. Getting a working congress would be a bigger challenge.
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Religion is quite an enabler of neoliberalism. Part of the reason I want to see it die off

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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 05:26:03 am »
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And we have to prioritize; more people are suffering without a job than without a marriage license.
We've been doing that. It's not like the Democratic Party is going to totally abandon the middle class to become the Gay Marriage Party.
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I'm not sure that it has quite turned 180 degrees. It is close to the national average. I am not sure that the 8% margin for President Obama is valid, but the challenge of someone on the Right as a meaningful alternative to Mitt Romney (Constitution, Libertarian, Conservative) looks like an unmitigated disaster for Romney.

Well, one of us has been posting this pretty consistantly. If Virgil Goode hits 15 4percent nationally, this election is over.

Corrected. And even 2-3% would make a real uphill climb for Romney.

A moot point, however, as I doubt Goode will even do that well come Election Day.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 06:40:56 pm »
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Religion is quite an enabler of neoliberalism. Part of the reason I want to see it die off
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Just look at Oklahoma and Utah. Does anybody really think that the elected Republicans are religious?

They just wrap themselves in it in order to get millions of evangelical votes and waste all of our time talking about stupid things like birth control instead of the distribution of income/wealth and the blatant purchasing of government policy by those with money. They are using its opportunity cost to their advantage.

Not that the Democrats do very much on their own to pass economic legislation really benefiting the vast majority of the country even when they have majorities. The 2010 healthcare reform is the perfect example. Individual mandate to buy a private for-profit product that the government could provide for a lower price and it didn't even touch the anti-trust exemptions, Medicare Rx negotiation ban, pharmaceutical drug import ban, pharmaceutical profit patents, etc.

It's incremental because incremental is the only realistic option according to the people who own the political system. They need to make more money in the mean time or what's the point right?
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 06:44:18 pm »
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I wish we could, you know, talk about the poll itself rather than getting boggled down in side conversation.  YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN??!?!?!?!  Huh  Angry
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