NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!

[Senator Snowstalker]

Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad?

Yes.

[Vermin Supreme]

Your father seems like a Obama voter Snowstalker

[Senator Snowstalker]

Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad?

Yes.

So were we right? Is he an Obama voter or a Romney voter? Or do you know?

Obama supporter. I assumed people would be thrown off by the Cuban part (which you didn't seem to notice)

[Vermin Supreme]

Lean Obama

[So the Heroes Fall]

I was going to point out that if he's 29 he was not even eligible to vote in 2000, but then I realized it is possible if his birthday is before November.

[Senator Snowstalker]

Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad?

Yes.

So were we right? Is he an Obama voter or a Romney voter? Or do you know?

Obama supporter. I assumed people would be thrown off by the Cuban part (which you didn't seem to notice)

I did catch it, but kind of forgot about it when I started the analysis. Cubans tend to lean more Republican than other Latino groups. Didn't change much in the end though. BTW, my dad-based hypothetical person above also plans to vote for Obama (though all exit poll signs point to him being a Romney supporter).

He's always also had a bit of an independent streak; his first vote was for Perot (though he voted for Gore, Kerry, and Obama after that).

[Vermin Supreme]

Book readers:

Reader 1:

The Hobbit

A Tale of Two cities

Hamlet

The Dark Tower

The Lord of the Rings

The Quran

Gone with the Wind

The Kite Rider

The Stand

Lord of the Files

Person 2

Faith of my Fathers

Audacity of Hope

The Fountainhead

A People History of the United States of America

Dude Where my Country?

No Apologies

Mein Kampf

The Communist Manifesto

Malcolm X Autobiography  

The Great Libertarian Offer


Book reader 3:

Harry Potter series

Catcher from the Rye

Of Mice and Men

The Chocolate War

Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption

The Da Vinci Code

The Ginger Man

Angels and Demons

The Diary of a Young Girl

[Insula Dei]

The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

[Vermin Supreme]

The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?

[Insula Dei]

The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?

Constitution Party.

[Vermin Supreme]

The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?

Constitution Party.

Wtf

[Vermin Supreme]

Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic


Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in senate elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Sr in governor elections

[MilesC56]

Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.

[Vermin Supreme]

What about my guy bawlexus91?

[Vermin Supreme]

Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic


Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Jr in governor elections.

Is this guy white?

Is your guy a white person who converted to Islam? Or a Muslim-American?

White person who converted to Islam in 2005.

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.

Is that your grandma or something?

Probably Romney if she voted McCain. Doesn't seem to like black people.

[MilesC56]

Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.

Is that your grandma or something?

Probably Romney if she voted McCain. Doesn't seem to like black people.

No, but I did know a woman like this a few years ago from that area.

[cope1989]

How about Roseanne and Dan Connor in 2012?

Here's where I think the Connor family would be in 2012:

Roseanne's loose meat restaurant closed down in 2004 as suburban sprawl in Lanford took away business from locally owned restaurants. Strapped for cash, their son in law Mark enlisted in the army and fought in Iraq to try to help the family, where he was killed by a roadside bomb in 2006. Their daughter Becky, who is a manager at the local Wal-Mart remarried last year.

Darlene, Roseanne's daughter, divorced her husband David and came out as a lesbian. She now has a partner and they are thinking about having a baby together. Dan left his job in 2001 at the city garage and worked in construction for a company building suburban homes in the Chicago suburbs. The company went bankrupt in 2008. The Connor's nearly lost their home in 2009 but got help from a stimulus program designed to help struggling homeowners.  Since 2010, Dan has had a decently paying job as a manager at an auto repair shop.

Dan had a heart attack last year. Luckily he survived, and the passage of the Affordable Care Act significantly lowered the amount of money they had to pay for his surgery. However, it still put them in even more debt. Since the restaurant closed, Roseanne has been working as a receptionist at a law firm, but she and her sister Jackie, still single but dating, want to open up a medical marijuana dispensary, the first in Lanford. (Roseanne Barr has actually said she can see her character and Jackie doing this)

DJ has been the savior for the family. He turned out to be a gifted writer and is a published author now.

So let's start in 1996
Roseanne: Clinton
Dan: Clinton

2000
Roseanne: Nader
Dan: Bush

2004
Roseanne: Kerry
Dan: Bush

2008
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Obama

2012
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Undecided. (Doesn't really like either, leaning toward Obama)

[Vermin Supreme]

Roseanne: Roseanne write in

Dan: Not voting

[Vermin Supreme]

The  Griffin family
________



Peter: Doesn't seem to be the prototypical voter for either Romney or Obama. If Peter does vote it will be for Obama because he's from Rhode Island and Joe Biden is Obama VP pick.

Lois: Obama but would have voted for the 1994 Mitt Romney if he was put up against president Obama.

Chris: Non-voter

Meg: Obama

Brian: Strong Obama since he's a self admitted liberal/Democrat and would fit the stereotype of a latte liberal.

Stewie: Write in: The American Nazi party

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

This actually sounds like a girl I dated in St.Petersburg this time last year. She's probably a pillhead. :p

Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic

Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Jr in governor elections.

He's a convert to Islam. In view of the other information you've presented, he's not voting Republican anytime soon, though like most Muslims, he was probably a Republican before 9/11 and the War on Terrorism.

How about Roseanne and Dan Connor in 2012?

Here's where I think the Connor family would be in 2012:

Roseanne's loose meat restaurant closed down in 2004 as suburban sprawl in Lanford took away business from locally owned restaurants. Strapped for cash, their son in law Mark enlisted in the army and fought in Iraq to try to help the family, where he was killed by a roadside bomb in 2006. Their daughter Becky, who is a manager at the local Wal-Mart remarried last year.

Darlene, Roseanne's daughter, divorced her husband David and came out as a lesbian. She now has a partner and they are thinking about having a baby together. Dan left his job in 2001 at the city garage and worked in construction for a company building suburban homes in the Chicago suburbs. The company went bankrupt in 2008. The Connor's nearly lost their home in 2009 but got help from a stimulus program designed to help struggling homeowners.  Since 2010, Dan has had a decently paying job as a manager at an auto repair shop.

Dan had a heart attack last year. Luckily he survived, and the passage of the Affordable Care Act significantly lowered the amount of money they had to pay for his surgery. However, it still put them in even more debt. Since the restaurant closed, Roseanne has been working as a receptionist at a law firm, but she and her sister Jackie, still single but dating, want to open up a medical marijuana dispensary, the first in Lanford. (Roseanne Barr has actually said she can see her character and Jackie doing this)

DJ has been the savior for the family. He turned out to be a gifted writer and is a published author now.

So let's start in 1996
Roseanne: Clinton
Dan: Clinton

2000
Roseanne: Nader
Dan: Bush

2004
Roseanne: Kerry
Dan: Bush

2008
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Obama

2012
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Undecided. (Doesn't really like either, leaning toward Obama)

With all the family has been through in your scenario, they would almost definitely vote for Obama in 2012 unless they're fundies, which they pretty clearly aren't. Even if they are, the adage about a liberal being a conservative who got sick (the rejoinder to "a conservative is a liberal who got mugged") would likely apply here.

[Vermin Supreme]

The  Griffin family
________



Peter: Doesn't seem to be the prototypical voter for either Romney or Obama. If Peter does vote it will be for Obama because he's from Rhode Island and Joe Biden is Obama VP pick.

Lois: Obama but would have voted for the 1994 Mitt Romney if he was put up against president Obama.

Chris: Non-voter

Meg: Obama

Brian: Strong Obama since he's a self admitted liberal/Democrat and would fit the stereotype of a latte liberal.

Stewie: Write in: The American Nazi party

[IDS Legislator Alfred F. Jones]

Name: Richard Nixon (Not that Nixon)
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Place of birth: Honolulu, HI
Place of residence: Los Angeles, CA
Education: Bachelor's degree at UCLA
Family: Wife is a stay-at-home mom, 2 kids
Occupation: Carpenter
Income: $60,000/year
Religion: Methodist
Voting history: Bush '88, Clinton '92, Clinton '96, Bush '00, Bush '04, Obama '08

[IDS Legislator Alfred F. Jones]

Name: Richard Nixon (Not that Nixon)
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Place of birth: Honolulu, HI
Place of residence: Los Angeles, CA
Education: Bachelor's degree at UCLA
Family: Wife is a stay-at-home mom, 2 kids
Occupation: Carpenter
Income: $60,000/year
Religion: Methodist
Voting history: Bush '88, Clinton '92, Clinton '96, Bush '00, Bush '04, Obama '08

Is Richard Nixon from Honolulu White?

Sorry!

His dad's white and his mom's from Chile.