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« on: May 01, 2012, 03:14:50 pm »
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Name: Jack McKinley Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: IAFF member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build, powerful, military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 03:19:18 pm »
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If he's active in the union, as you imply, lean Obama. Remember that Obama is also pro-death penalty and supports securing the borders (more immigrants deported and more boots on the border than ever).

Also, he works as a union member? That's not a job.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 03:30:24 pm »
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People like this don't really exist on the not-internet.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 03:32:24 pm »
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Name: Jack Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: Union member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative though

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services


You seem to know Jack Dawson pretty well.  Given your intimacy with him, I don't think you need to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet how he'll vote.  Why not just go ask him directly?
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 03:37:37 pm »
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Name: Jack Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: Union member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative though

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services


You seem to know Jack Dawson pretty well.  Given your intimacy with him, I don't think you need to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet how he'll vote.  Why not just go ask him directly?



I just created this fictional blue collar worker to ask how people like him, AKA Reagan Democrats, will vote in this election. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 03:40:28 pm »
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People like this don't really exist on the not-internet.

Yes, they all lost their jobs and houses long ago, and many have died off due to the ailments and mishaps which do beset the poor.  The few that do survive now live under the freeway-overpass, and voting is the furthest thing from their minds.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 04:29:20 pm »
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He'd have voted for Santorum. But I think he's pretty convinced he'll vote for Obama again (as he did in 2008).
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 04:40:03 pm »
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Jack Dawson died on the titanic a century ago....
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 04:50:05 pm »
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Jack Dawson died on the titanic a century ago....


And played first grade rugby too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dawson_(rugby_league)
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 06:28:51 pm »
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Reluctant vote for Obama

If he loses his job between now and the election, he'll stay home and won't vote
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 06:32:59 pm »
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Obama reluctantly.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 08:33:21 pm »
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I feel like this all reads out as the stereotype profile of the Reagan Democrat. This is what I'm aiming for in this thread and basically most blue collar workers are in line with Dawson political positions.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 08:38:47 pm »
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Depends how susceptible he is to BS... he probably voted for Clinton and Gore, didn't for Kerry or Obama 08... my gut is he probably votes Romney... although if he knew what Romney wants to do... he'd vote Obama, but I think the Romney economic BS and the social issue rhetoric will pull him right.

But I disagree that all blue-collar workers think the same as this... plus he seems more... KY, WV, TN than PA.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 08:42:56 pm »
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He definitely sounds more right-wing than left-wing.  So Romney.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 09:01:25 pm »
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Plus - breaking down this guy a bit...

According to the 2008 exit poll...

Lost white men by 16%
Lost white people in his income bracket by 14%
He probably doesn't have any college, so white guys without college Obama lost by 18%
weekly Church attendance by 12%....

So this guy, regardless of his concerns about medicare etc etc, in the end he won't care enough about them to vote Obama.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 09:27:14 pm »
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Union membership changes everything, however.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 09:38:12 pm »
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Union membership changes everything, however.

Not entirely... it makes you MORE likely to vote Democratic but look at the PA Senate race in 2010... Toomey got 44% of the Union vote. Obama did well, but McCain still won 32% of Union people in PA... and I'll bet they're social Conservatives from W PA. Bush got 38% of the Union vote in 2004...

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 10:15:10 pm »
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Go forth, real people, and speculate as to the voting habits of these imaginary people:

Jenna - age 21.  Part-time waitress, earns and receives about $13,000/year and pays nothing in tax.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education and is taking classes in Criminal Justice at a local community college.  Receives food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit.  Volunteers for her church youth group, has pledged abstinence until marriage.

Sam - age 19.  Private in the US Army, earning about $20,000/year before taxes.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education, joined the army in the hopes of being able to attend college.  Only sometimes goes to church, but when he got his girlfriend pregnant he proposed to her and asked her to keep the baby (she refused and didn't).

Larry - age 66.  Retired autoworker, receiving about $55,000/year before taxes from Social Security and his pension.  White, comes from a middle-class, blue-collar family.  High-school education.  Stopped paying his union dues several years ago, and owns three guns.  Divorced, has 3 children, all of whom are grown, and 2 grandchildren.  Only sometimes goes to church.

Wesley - age 39.  Associate at a law firm, earning about $90,000/year before taxes.  Parents were upper-middle to upper class.  Went to private school, and attended state university for both his undergraduate studies and law school.  Unmarried and without children.  Irreligious.

Arturo - age 44.  Owns a landscaping business, earning about $125,000/year before taxes.  Immigrated from Honduras at age 6, parents were wealthy for Honduras but middle-class in America.  High-school education.  Many of his employees are illegal immigrants, his clients are wealthy McMansion owners.  Married and has 2 children, wants to send both to college.  Very religious and attends church weekly.

David - age 52.  Neurosurgeon, earning about $750,000/year before taxes.  Comes from an upper-middle class family.  Graduated from Columbia and the NYU School of Medicine.  Married, has 2 children in college and a third in private school.  Jewish, attends a Reform synagogue most weeks.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 10:21:55 pm »
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Jenna - D
Sam - R
Larry - R
Wesley - D
Arturo - R
David - D
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 10:27:39 pm »
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This would be more interesting if someone did this with real people and let Atlas guess.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 10:45:40 pm »
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Not a single one of these people votes Republican, because the GOP has done something to alienate each and every last one of them.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 11:00:47 pm »
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Schaitberger has been ramping up the "we are victims of the right" crap though. So it could come down to how involved he really is with the IAFF.
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Not a single one of these people votes Republican, because the GOP has done something to alienate each and every last one of them.
Call it the Stockholm syndrome, but people continue to vote Republican.
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 11:11:55 pm »
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Name: Steven Anderson

Born: June 5, 1973

Location: Los Angeles, CA

Occupation: Janus Mutual Funds (Investor Relations)

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: Against it

Same sex Marriage: Make same sex legal for US states to decide.

Drugs: Legalize Marijuana, regulate

Welfare Reform: Against it, wants private sector/charities to take over

Health care reform: Privatized

Military: Modern, powerful, small military.

Medicare/Social Security spending: Will spend extra for senior entitlements, make sure they're good.

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Doesn't want them raised

Labor unions: No

Death Penalty: Pro death penalty

Affirmative Action: No

Free trade: Unrestricted free trade

Education: Will send his kids to public school, or private school.  Will do research on public schools based on teachers performance.

Civil rights: Thinks people should have equal rights.

Hobbies: Watching TV golf/gambing, listening to modern rock/smooth jazz, drinking wine or imported beer, hanging out with his close friends, spending time at the country club. Taking kids to Disney World, or other family events. Going to church a few times a year.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 11:13:59 pm »
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I doubt many such people exist in LA, but such a person would definitely be a Romney voter.
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